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Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life [message #92113 is a reply to message #92107]

Sun, 26 July 2020 11:01

Wayne Parham
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I've not noticed listening fatigue when playing 2226H/Delta10/DE250 cornerhorns for extended periods of time. I took this combination to LSAF 2017, and it sounded great all weekend. I left the show feeling fresh. That's one of my "litmus tests" for listening fatigue. It's a long-term, low-level thing.

We all get temporary tinnitus from high SPL levels, even when exposed just for a few hours. Rock converts and some industrial work environments are the most obvious ways to get it. Riding a motorcycle without a helmet is too.

But low SPL levels can cause it too, when exposed long enough. And so audio shows became one of my "tests" for this, as you saw in that last post you referenced. I guess I cannot say with certainty that the cause is harmonic distortion, but the only times I've experienced it is when using direct radiating speakers that don't have shorting rings. Even when they are played well below their limits, I found that I experienced listening fatigue after the show.

And the clue in that last statement (for me, at least) was "direct radiating speakers that don't have shorting rings." Since I didn't get fatigue from the cornerhorns with Delta 10 drivers, my hypothesis is the distortion reduction from horn loading prevented listening fatigue. Horns do reduce distortion by approximately 15dB, and that's about the same amount that shorting rings do.

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		Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Mon, 10 June 2019 13:59
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 11 June 2019 09:05
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Wed, 12 June 2019 11:41
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 12 June 2019 12:11
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: rkeman on Sat, 15 June 2019 20:24
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 16 June 2019 09:59
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: johnnycamp5 on Tue, 18 June 2019 14:40
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 18 June 2019 14:54
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Thu, 20 June 2019 19:15
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 21 June 2019 16:19
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Wed, 12 June 2019 13:34
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Tue, 25 June 2019 09:08
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 25 June 2019 09:36
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Tue, 25 June 2019 10:04
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 25 June 2019 14:01
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Tue, 25 June 2019 20:53
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: johnnycamp5 on Tue, 25 June 2019 18:58
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Wed, 26 June 2019 03:18
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Tue, 03 September 2019 12:07
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 03 September 2019 16:02
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Tue, 03 September 2019 23:11
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Wed, 04 September 2019 15:43
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Wed, 04 September 2019 21:55
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Thu, 05 September 2019 08:24
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Fri, 06 September 2019 22:16
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Sat, 07 September 2019 09:41
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Sat, 07 September 2019 17:39
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Sat, 07 September 2019 17:48
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mabob on Thu, 05 September 2019 06:15
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Sat, 07 September 2019 17:15
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Sat, 07 September 2019 17:59
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 08 September 2019 17:55
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mudshark on Mon, 09 September 2019 10:30
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 09 September 2019 11:20
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Fri, 27 September 2019 08:06
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 27 September 2019 09:22
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Fri, 27 September 2019 10:26
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mabob on Mon, 07 October 2019 08:01
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 07 October 2019 09:07
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Wed, 09 October 2019 06:20
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Mabob on Fri, 11 October 2019 11:42
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 11 October 2019 13:16
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: paulp1960 on Sun, 13 October 2019 10:16
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 14 October 2019 11:08
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		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Thu, 12 December 2019 04:35
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 December 2019 09:30
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		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Fri, 20 December 2019 00:23
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 20 December 2019 09:09
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Fri, 20 December 2019 09:16
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: DaveFred on Fri, 01 May 2020 09:30
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 01 May 2020 11:10
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Sun, 03 May 2020 23:21
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 04 May 2020 12:47
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Tue, 05 May 2020 22:58
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 06 May 2020 09:52
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: johnnycamp5 on Wed, 06 May 2020 11:30
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 06 May 2020 11:39
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Thu, 07 May 2020 06:49
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Tue, 12 May 2020 21:36
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 13 May 2020 11:01
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Symphonimind on Wed, 13 May 2020 23:33
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: DaveFred on Wed, 06 May 2020 13:44
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 06 May 2020 16:39
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Scott L2 on Mon, 15 January 2024 06:48
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: johnnycamp5 on Mon, 15 January 2024 09:04
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 15 January 2024 10:37
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Scott L2 on Mon, 15 January 2024 14:03
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 15 January 2024 15:34
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: rvsixer on Sat, 25 July 2020 11:14
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 26 July 2020 11:01
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: rvsixer on Sun, 26 July 2020 13:30
		Re: Definimax 4012HO - End of Life By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 27 July 2020 10:24
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