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Re: PiAlign program [message #43782 is a reply to message #43781] Tue, 27 January 2004 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Morrison is currently offline  David Morrison
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Never really thought about that but what size of a horn would it take to help the response out between 50-80 Hzs. I was going to build a big box tuned low then use your folded corner horn to add in that range.

Re: PiAlign program [message #43787 is a reply to message #43782] Tue, 27 January 2004 23:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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Hi David

Have been reading this thread, do you want to design a basshorn or something? With rear chamber?

In terms of size, remember that you need a horn long enough to reach the desired Fc. Horn length primarily determines this and should be 1/4 wavelength of the lowest frequency to be used.

Mouth size should also be of reasonable area, if a basshorn, then corner loading will obviously reduce the size needed considerably (the room will form part of the flare). Use Hornresp to determine a suitable area.

Rear chamber can be vented or sealed - the system will act as a direct radiator somewhere below Fc. If you want to run your system so that direct radiator mode provides useful output then keep Fc well above Fb. If you do this, then response falls at 12db/oct below Fc until sensitivity becomes that of the driver in direct radiator mode. Below Fb, it will drop at 12db/oct again, or 24db/oct if a vented rear chamber. In particular this is a good idea if a short horn is used such as to keep size down, and this sounds like exactly what you wanted to do.

Of course, the better thing to do is to simply use a longer horn with Fc at the lowest frequency you want to reach, that way you gain the most benefits out of horn loading over your whole bandwidth. Then you can reactance annul it if you wish. Also remember that if you do the short horn + rear chamber, that excursion will jump up high in the direct radiator region as acoustic impedance gets lower, you loose out benefits of the horn in direct radiator mode. So you can get acoustic output to a lower frequency, but excursion-limited power handling goes down too, hence limiting total SPL. If space is a concern though, it is one way to extend low frequency response.

Adrian

Re: PiAlign program [message #43800 is a reply to message #43787] Thu, 29 January 2004 05:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Morrison is currently offline  David Morrison
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i am just looking for away to free up some range and spl for my 9512 as far as power handling and excursion i will ever use it all.i simply want a horn that will help load between 50-80 hzs. then I can tune to 35-40 hzs. I have modded the pi folded corner horn to give me the dimensions that i want i just want to know how to generally predict its responce. Also if the box is peaky at the certain frequency i have a ten band eq to use on it. when i get the boxes upload i will post them. some have longer horn, larger vented enclosures smaller, vented enclosures but try tried to keep the horn flare the same. first

Re: PiAlign program [message #43802 is a reply to message #43787] Thu, 29 January 2004 14:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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here are some mod they still need work



link doesn't work right [message #43807 is a reply to message #43802] Fri, 30 January 2004 01:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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It tells me that the files are inaccessable.

Re: PiAlign program [message #43808 is a reply to message #43802] Fri, 30 January 2004 04:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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try now i forgot to set the viewing settings.

Re: PiAlign program [message #43819 is a reply to message #43800] Fri, 30 January 2004 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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OK.... Let's start from the beginning.

I have no idea what your trying to do - what is the brand and model of the driver your usigng? What bandwidth exactly do you want to cover? What size restrictions physically have you got which is moving you towards this direction of small horn + low tuned rear chamber?

Is your plan so far basically one of Wayne's folded horn designs, and your own rear chamber?

Re: PiAlign program [message #43823 is a reply to message #43819] Sat, 31 January 2004 04:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Morrison is currently offline  David Morrison
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the speaker is a digital design 9512. I am try to get the height around forty i will get out a tape in couple days to give you a better idea. the specs were one of the first post there are two sets of specs either speak cloud be used. the second is a Rf2210

yeah i want to use a bigger vented volume with a smaller horn that will hopefully work right. I planed on building the recomended box, my big box nonmodded then i modded box.

I am look for bass for my living room mainly like 30-80 the box i am using now has nice lowes but mudding midbass. i mean my eq 32 hzs is cranked and the 62 is the full way down.

Re: PiAlign program [message #43827 is a reply to message #43823] Sat, 31 January 2004 18:50 Go to previous message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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Hi David

I put the numbers through for the RF2210 woofer and Hornresp tells me that this woofer is not suited to a horn at all.

As for the digital design 9512, there isn't enough parameters there to model its horn response. I did derive some of the missing parameters that were required, using an approximate value for Sd and something else, but they didn't model well out on a horn either.

Your best bet is a bass reflex box for both of 'em, and forget about the horn. The box's that Wayne suggested will work fine. For the RF, use the bigger of his suggestions if you want response to 30Hz. And for the DD sub, Wayne's described a number of cabinets which will get you to 30Hz so just follow those suggestions. You may also consider looking at dual chamber reflex boxes.

Adrian

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