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design plan for a tractrix horn using electrovoice EVM12L driver [message #40674] Tue, 18 March 2003 02:12 Go to next message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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Hey everyone.

I found this website http://www.volvotreter.de/pics_plans.htm which has plans available for download for a 150Hz tractrix horn using a 12" electrovoice EVM12L driver. Has anyone used this driver before? If so, how high do you think this design can reach? (the actual plans can be downloaded from here http://www.volvotreter.de/files/150Hz_Midbass_Tractrix_Horn_v1.3a.pdf). Is this even a good design? Has anybody got any other designs for 8 to 12" cone drivers for midrange horns with a cutoff around 200Hz?

If anyone has the time to download the plans above, can you please explain what the angles in the bottom left picture means. The diagram looks very similar to the one in the middle right, it is confusing me !!!!!!! please help if you have the time, or if you can!

Thanks in advance!
Adrian

Re: design plan for a tractrix horn using electrovoice EVM12L driver [message #40677 is a reply to message #40674] Tue, 18 March 2003 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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That's an attractive horn. It looks like a good design and could certainly model it with Hornresp to check it out.

Re: design plan for a tractrix horn using electrovoice EVM12L driver [message #40679 is a reply to message #40677] Wed, 19 March 2003 03:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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Hey Wayne,

I reckon it looks good too. Without running the design through HornResp (which I find hard to use, even though I have not really read any instructions!) do you think it would perform well up to 1.6KHz?

I can get the Electrovoice EVM12L used in that horn for AU$350 each (converts to US$208). Do you think this is a good price? I was thinking maybe an Eminence type driver could be used in its place, or would this screw up the design?

Thanks!
Adrian

Re: design plan for a tractrix horn using electrovoice EVM12L driver [message #40683 is a reply to message #40679] Wed, 19 March 2003 11:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Hard to say what kind of top end response you can expect from that horn. Lots of variables, from collapsing DI to cone flex. In that area, it is probably best to build and test.

Re: design plan for a tractrix horn using electrovoice EVM12L driver [message #40685 is a reply to message #40683] Wed, 19 March 2003 14:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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Hey Wayne,

http://www.usspeaker.com/evm 12L-1.htm has some specs on it. Freq response is 80Hz-5KHz. Also here's some really kewl pics of it http://www.proaudio.com.au/shspec/ev1_lg.jpg

From the above, what would you say about this woofer?

Thanks again!
Adrian

Re: design plan for a tractrix horn using various drivers [message #40686 is a reply to message #40685] Wed, 19 March 2003 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Have you considered using a JBL 2020? It's a 12" driver that works very well in large format midrange horns, and would give you the performance you are hoping for. You could also use the 2012 or 2123 10" drivers for midrange applications; They're perfect in horns like you're planning to use. You might also check out the Eminence Delta 10 and Delta 12, which are other drivers that would probably work for you.

I've been toying with midhorns using those drivers and I must say they're looking pretty good.

Re: design plan for a tractrix horn using various drivers [message #40689 is a reply to message #40686] Thu, 20 March 2003 02:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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Hey Wayne,

Thanks for the suggestions. Do you think I will be able to use for example the JBL 2020 or the Eminence Delta 12 as a direct substitute for the electrovoice EVM12L if I wanted to? Or would I have to redesign the horn on the page in my other post for the new drivers?

Do these sorts of midrange horns need any compensation, or any other filter corrections for the response? (you have told me guitar speakers have a rising response, does the horn correct this?)

Thanks again!
Adrian

Re: design plan for a tractrix horn using various drivers [message #40690 is a reply to message #40689] Thu, 20 March 2003 03:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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There are a lot of different ways to use these. The direction I'm going is to use a straight-walled conical horn with approximately 90x40 wall angle. The throat entrance is square and the side walls expand from that. This makes a horn that is fairly simple to build and has a pattern than matches my tweeters.

A phase plug would extend the upper response limits but I only need output to 2kHz. It is fine for the path length differences to start rolling off output above that because the cone starts entering breakup around that point anyway. What I'm finding is response to 1kHz is pretty easy but it's harder to hit 2kHz, especially with larger drivers. But I don't need output much above 1kHz anyway, just enough to sum with the tweeter as it comes online.

Thanks! (NT) [message #40708 is a reply to message #40690] Sun, 23 March 2003 06:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: design plan for a tractrix horn using various drivers [message #40844 is a reply to message #40690] Fri, 04 April 2003 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Eric Mainardi is currently offline  Eric Mainardi
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Hello,
If I can add some useful information, I would recommend choosing a suitable speaker for horn use, you must have its Fs and Qes and then calculate :
Fhm = 2.Fs/Qes
It gives you the useable upper frequency limit of your speaker+horn assembly and this must coincide with the lower working frequency limit of your medium driver.
Regarding the EVM12L, it's not only an excellent guitar speaker but gives very high efficiency and low distorsion in the low mid-band region, where it is the most important for your project. E-V people were the first to give the distortion figure of their speakers in data sheet, proof that they were in advance over their competitors. Unfortunately EVM12L is now phased out.
Hoping this will help.
Thanks to you all.
EM

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