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Crossover Doc Spcie models [message #35497] Thu, 14 March 2002 15:13 Go to next message
dbeardsl is currently offline  dbeardsl
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Wayne,

Thanks for the info.

I'm probably not doing something right.
I used your exact spice model in the crossover doc for the Delta 15 and the psd2002 with a simple firt order butterworth.

I put the current source across node 5 and 0 like you said, and measured the voltage at node 6 and 1. I get something cloe to yours, but not quite the same.


Here is the spice model...

Delta 15 and PSD 2002 with 1st order Butterworth

! First order network
L2 5 6 0.6mH
C2 5 1 16uF
! woofer virtual circuit (Eminence Delta 15)
! voice coil reactance
R3 6 7 6.9
L3 7 9 0.86mH
! mechanical reactance (40Hz, Q=6.56)
C5 9 0 400uF
L5 9 0 40mH
R5 9 0 65.6
! tweeter virtual circuit (Eminence PSD2002)
! voice coil reactance
R4 1 10 6.6
L4 10 11 0.1mH
! mechanical reactance (on H290)
C6 11 12 20uF
L6 11 12 2mH
R6 11 12 100
C7 12 13 10uF
L7 12 13 1mH
R7 12 13 100
C8 13 0 5uF
L8 13 0 0.5mH
R8 13 0 100
R9 11 0 20
C9 11 0 50uF

I 5 0 AC 1

And the link is the graph I get.

Am I doing the graph wrong.. I expected it to be exactly like the one pictured, I tried different voltages, but of course I get the same thing, just a little up the scale.

Re: Crossover Doc Spcie models [message #35498 is a reply to message #35497] Thu, 14 March 2002 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I looked at your graph and it appears to be similar, except you are using a different scale. For the Frequency [X] axis, I use the scale factors, linear axis, min 0, max 20000, increment 5000, minor tics 4, major grid solid, minor grid dot. And for the amplitude [Y] axis, I use the factors linear axis, min -50, max 0, increment 10, minor tics 4, major grid solid, minor grid dot.

Your tweeter curve looks the same as mine, and in the woofer curve, I can see the two peaks caused by your woofer cabinet. Good job!

My Cabinet? [message #35505 is a reply to message #35498] Fri, 15 March 2002 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dbeardsl is currently offline  dbeardsl
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cool, I'll mess with the scale. Though I'm not sure how you got your graph to show only negative values, is there some way to graph equations? like (V[6] - V[5])?

I suppose I could use the real spice... I tried once and couldn't get the graph anywhere close to yours. Though I use it to lay out the circuits, then just grab the netlist which is the spice model.


But How did a cabinet factor in here? I copied this straight out of the crossover doc. There isn't anything there to simulate a box...

How would you simulate a box anyway?

Re: My Cabinet? [message #35508 is a reply to message #35505] Fri, 15 March 2002 11:05 Go to previous message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Some of the models have a parallel resonance which is used to simulate the behaviour of the box. I put this in some of the models, but disabled it by commenting it out. You can uncommented this box resonance or make your own.
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