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Pi Aligned Afterburner & Port Calculation [message #33942] Thu, 27 September 2001 06:43 Go to next message
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Hello,

I'm just started to build a Pi-aligned version of Thorsten's Afterburner. I haven't yet the RS tweeter, but I will try the piezo - maybe KSN1038 ? May this be a good match for the 99dB of Beta 12LT ? I used the values given by PiAlign soft, the same as Wayne gave in this post.

I tried to re-do the calculation for the port dimensions (I like verify the things before cutting :). Unfortunately it doesn't work as I supposed. For 2.5" diameter port that's 2.75" long I've got 0.1Hz instead of Wayne's 33Hz . More details, see link. What's wrong ?

Thanks in advance,

O'Tor

Re: Pi Aligned Afterburner & Port Calculation [message #33949 is a reply to message #33942] Thu, 27 September 2001 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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You used 2.4 as as cabinet volume but you should have used 2.4 x 1728 to convert it to cubic inches. You must use the same terms throughout - If inches in one place then inches must be used everywhere. You can use feet if you wish, but then the port dimensions must be in feet for "Lc" and sq. feet for "Ap".
Re: Pi Aligned Afterburner & Port Calculation [message #33950 is a reply to message #33942] Thu, 27 September 2001 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Observator,

See my post "Crossovers for Delta15 @ 700 Hz, Beta12LT @ 15kHz? " below. There are others as well; just take a look.

I tried Wayne's crossover and the KSN1038 but the piezo didn't seem loud enough to me. I was thinking of trying the more sensitive KSN1177--it's basically two piezos side by side!

You might want to redo the PiAlign calculations with the "new" Beta12LT specs off the eminence site. The data file in the PiAlign program uses the "old" specs.

Good luck,
Jeff

Re: Pi Aligned Afterburner & Port Calculation [message #33970 is a reply to message #33949] Sat, 29 September 2001 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you for the response.

...but my problem persist....

> You used 2.4 as as cabinet volume but you should have used 2.4 x
> 1728 to convert it to cubic inches. You must use the same terms
> throughout - If inches in one place then inches must be used
> everywhere. You can use feet if you wish, but then the port
> dimensions must be in feet for "Lc" and sq. feet for "Ap".

I suppose I am wrong but I cannot find where :-(
Question is : what is eqation Fre = 1/2pi * sqrt(Ap/VeLc)
calculating?

Using your values and formules from Pi white paper,
Ve = 2.45 cu ft = 4242 cu in then
Dp = 2.5" => Ap = 4.9 sq in
Lp = 2.75" => Lc = 4.872 in

Fre = 1/6.28 * sqrt (4.9/(4242*4.872) )= 0.00245 Hz :-(((

Thanks in advance,
O'Tor

Re: Pi Aligned Afterburner & Port Calculation [message #33971 is a reply to message #33950] Sat, 29 September 2001 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi there,

> See my post "Crossovers for Delta15 @ 700 Hz, Beta12LT @ 15kHz? "
> below. There are others as well; just take a look.

thanks for the type...

> I tried Wayne's crossover and the KSN1038 but the piezo didn't
> seem loud enough to me. I was thinking of trying the more
> sensitive KSN1177--it's basically two piezos side by side!

Thanks for your opinion!

> You might want to redo the PiAlign calculations with the "new"
> Beta12LT specs off the eminence site. The data file in the PiAlign
> program uses the "old" specs.

Wayne allready used this new values (Qts/Fs = 1.51/45).


How is your Beta 12LT performing ?

O'Tor

Re: Pi Aligned Afterburner & Port Calculation [message #33976 is a reply to message #33970] Sat, 29 September 2001 16:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Look closely at the Pi Alignment Theory whitepaper. The formula you've shown above is on page 5. In this formula, the "l" term is a lower-case "L" and not the number "1". This value is used to show the speed of sound in inches per second, or 13548. So multiply your results by 13548 and you'll arrive at the proper and expected answer.
Thanks a lot ! (nt) [message #33978 is a reply to message #33976] Sun, 30 September 2001 03:39 Go to previous message
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