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Hmm, not sure about these piezos ... Wayne? [message #33540 is a reply to message #33525] Wed, 11 July 2001 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AudioLapDance is currently offline  AudioLapDance
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Hey Wayne, as you know (and are probably sick of!) I'm still looking for some cheap tweets to mate with the Delta 15.

I WAS thinking of two KSN1025/1141. The response graph isn't as smooth as I hoped after hearing that it was praised in SpeakerBuilder from Paul C (maybe I just got spoiled by the 1038!?!). I guess that's my first question: should I consider these response graphs accurate?

After looking over the graphs I notice that a single KSN1165 has a slightly smoother response and slightly more sensitivity than TWO of the 1025s! I guess that brings me to my second question: are the 0dB lines in these graphs a common reference or are they normalized to the listed sensitivity in the specifications (ie the KSN1188 is listed as 93 dB and that's the 0db line in the 1188 graph)?

Thanks for the help,
Jeff

PS I'm just listening to some good ol' Quadrophenia ... Keith Moon was a freaking animal!! What a loss!
Him, Bonham, Hendrix ...
What a loss!



Re: Hmm, not sure about these piezos ... Wayne? [message #33542 is a reply to message #33540] Wed, 11 July 2001 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Yeah, I tend to agree with you. From what I've seen in the response charts, I'm not real impressed with those large format piezos.
Re: Hey Andy, are there any others that look flat? [message #33543 is a reply to message #33539] Wed, 11 July 2001 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Thanks again for taking the time to compile data on large format piezo drivers. I only use the KSN-1038, but there is obviously a lot of interest in some of the others you've listed. So having a site with data about then is very helpful for DIY'ers.
Hmm-ing, now aha-ing! [message #33544 is a reply to message #33542] Thu, 12 July 2001 00:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AudioLapDance is currently offline  AudioLapDance
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Baron
If Andy G's gracious graphs are calibrated so the 0dB line is the sensitivity in the spec sheet, then the KSN1165 is at LEAST 3 dB louder than the KSN1025/1141. The 1025 is usually rated between 95 and 98 dB so that implies that the 1165 is at least 98 or 99 dB.

The KSN1188 should be using the same 0 dB calibration as the 1165 because both are rated as 93 dB/2.83V. The 1188 looks at least as sensitive as the 1165 so it should be around 99 dB too!

Attacking from another direction, Paul C seems to know his terminals from his tractrix horns. Indeed, Andy G's KSN1005 graph explains why Paul was "less than impressed by the 5khz peak in the little KSN1005... a harsh one note cymbal sound." Paul's trumpeting of the 1188 strikes a cord with me.

So I'm gonna go with the KSN1188 and hope it comes close to the 100-ish dB of the Delta 15. QED. Whew, that felt good!

So now onto the 1188. The graph shows that it doesn't roll-up a la 3rd order like the other piezos. I'm thinking that this must be a measurement glitch since Paul said he successfully ran it with no crossover. The -3dB point looks like ~ 600 Hz (!wow!) so I'm thinking I'll put a 400 to 500 Hz second order on the Delta (does any one have a more precise suggestion?) I bet the Delta will like this low down, double crossing! ;-)

Do I need to worry about throat distortion with this horn trying to go so low?

Thanks for your help guys,
Best regards,
Jeff



Re: Hey Andy, are there any others that look flat? [message #33545 is a reply to message #33543] Thu, 12 July 2001 05:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just scanning from the Jaycar cattledog. And that's all there is, sorry, no more in the book !!
Big thanks to Andy! [message #33546 is a reply to message #33545] Thu, 12 July 2001 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AudioLapDance is currently offline  AudioLapDance
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You've done more that expected already!

Thanks so much for scanning and posting--we finally have some data to chew in the maw of decision!

So here's to Andy,
may he always be randy.

Cheers,
Jeff


Ah, crap! [message #33557 is a reply to message #33544] Sat, 14 July 2001 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AudioLapDance is currently offline  AudioLapDance
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On further study, the KSN 1165 and 1188 tweeters are just too peaky and I don't think they'll work for me. I'm looking for quality sound, not just sound reinforcement PA speakers.

Best regards,
Jeff



Re: Piezo Curves [message #75447 is a reply to message #33514] Wed, 06 February 2013 13:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nihilist is currently offline  Nihilist
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Yeah, I know, I know, pulling a crusty skeleton from the crypt.


By any chance does anyone have the information that was in the Link at the beginning of this thread , the link for "Piezo curves" ?

I would greatly appreciate it, or even if all you have is the data sheet/frequency curves for the KSN1167 .


Thanks much.


.........................Blake
Re: Piezo Curves [message #75451 is a reply to message #75447] Wed, 06 February 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll I've got so far is the KSN1038 from waaaay back

http://www.pispeakers.com/KSN1041_hires_graph.gif

Re: Piezo Curves [message #75454 is a reply to message #75451] Wed, 06 February 2013 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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That brings back memories, doesn't it?

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