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Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69038 is a reply to message #68904] Tue, 16 August 2011 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smokarz is currently offline  smokarz
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wayne,

what's your thought on using non horn/wg surrounds with horn/wg mains?

i kept hearing debates that for best integration (timbre match) with horn driven mains, surrounds should also be horn driven (or coax).

i mean, they're just surrounds right? how much dynamics and directivity do you need from surrounds?

what's your personal take on this? do you use dome tweet as surrounds in your system?

thanks much!
Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69040 is a reply to message #69038] Tue, 16 August 2011 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I actually prefer the little one π and two π speakers as surrounds. They're a spectral match with the larger uniform-directivity models, but not a directivity match. Surrounds really shouldn't be a directivity match anyway, because the pattern would be too narrow. What we want is ambiance, and a wider pattern. I'm not sure that it needs to be as uniform off-axis either. So we want power response to match the mains, but not directivity.

The traditional orientation for surrounds is positioned at the sides and slightly behind the listeners, pointed straight inwards, towards the listeners. But I've found another setup that works well is to put them a little further behind the listeners and point them at the sidewalls, with angle of incidence that brings the reflected sound back at the listeners from the sides. This gives the same impression of sound coming from the sides, but it gives a better sense of spaciousness.
Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69117 is a reply to message #68904] Mon, 22 August 2011 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smokarz is currently offline  smokarz
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thanks wayne, i ordered the 1pi kits. preferred the small size and hoping room gain will help with low fr extension.

do you recessed your tweeters/mid or surface mount them?

looking at the plan, didn't see any info re: recessed depth so i figured they are surface mounted?
Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69119 is a reply to message #69117] Mon, 22 August 2011 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I've recessed the drivers in some speakers and I've built others with the drivers mounted on the surface of the baffle. You can do it either way, as long as you do both drivers the same way. In other words, if your route a groove for the tweeter to mount it flush, do the woofer also.

Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69195 is a reply to message #68904] Fri, 26 August 2011 12:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wayne, as i am getting ready to build the cabs, got a few questions re R13 insulation.

FACED or UNFACED?
2" or 3" thickness?
how to attached to walls? 3M glue?

thanks
Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69196 is a reply to message #69195] Fri, 26 August 2011 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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All R13 is the same thickness, which is about 3" uncompressed. Remove the vapor barrier and attach it with white glue. Just run a bead back and forth on the inside panel, with the glue bead lines about 2" apart and lay the sheet of insulation on that. Push it in place and let it dry.

Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69198 is a reply to message #68904] Fri, 26 August 2011 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smokarz is currently offline  smokarz
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thanks wayne, when you said "white glue", herhaps something like this?

LOCTITE Power Grab 10 Oz. All-Purpose White Construction Adhesive

http://www.lowes.com/pd_185445-69-841982_0__?productId=3225018&Ntt=white+glue&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dwhite%2Bglue&facetInfo=
Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69199 is a reply to message #69198] Fri, 26 August 2011 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Use a water soluble wood/paper glue like those from Titebond, Elmers, etc. It can be white glue (like used for paper) or carpeneter's wood glue, which is usually yellow. Either kind of glue is fine.

Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69206 is a reply to message #68904] Sat, 27 August 2011 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smokarz is currently offline  smokarz
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thanks wayne,

another question. can i assemble the cab now or do i need to wait for the components?

not sure if the port is installed from inside or outside.
Re: 1pi or 2pi for surrounds? [message #69207 is a reply to message #69206] Sat, 27 August 2011 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I built mine fully except left the baffle off. Once I got my speakers I marked the spots for holes and used a drill press for the "T"nuts for the woofers. I had my inulation in at that point also. I then fine tuned if you would the cut out for the port and installed the port from the back side of the baffle making sure it was flush with the outside edge of the baffle. When I made my baffles I slightly oversized them in case my boxes were a bit out of square. I then installed the baffles and flush cut them with a router.
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