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Re: Cabinet design, port placement and internal standing waves [message #75652 is a reply to message #75651] Wed, 27 February 2013 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently online  Wayne Parham
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dheflin44 wrote on Wed, 27 February 2013 15:16
Are there any simulators available that would predict where the internal high pressure nodes will be?

Yes, Martin King wrote an excellent modeling tool in the form of a series of MathCad spreadsheets. They used to be available for download, but I think he may have pulled them because he felt commercial users were taking advantage of him. I can empathize with him, and respect his IP so naturally paid his commercial licensing fees.

This whole thing is a hobby for me, but it's hobby turned business and that means commercial licensing is appropriate, in my opinion. Darn well worth the fee, and Martin is a nice guy too, by the way, very intelligent. But I digress.

My point is that's the tool I have used and found most effective. Measurements tracked predictions very well. Check the link below, and see if the spreadsheets are available. If not, you might write to Martin and inquire about licensing. For personal use, I think he'll go easy 'cause they were sort of GPL'ed at one time.
Re: Cabinet design, port placement and internal standing waves [message #75653 is a reply to message #75652] Wed, 27 February 2013 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Looks like the cost is only $25 for DIYers. Since the main app is modeling transmission lines, it's going to take a little studying to figure out how to model what I'm trying to do.

Thanks,
Darrell
Re: Cabinet design, port placement and internal standing waves [message #75654 is a reply to message #75653] Wed, 27 February 2013 17:25 Go to previous message
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He used to supply a spreadsheet for ported cabinets tuned primarily using Helmholtz resonance. While his main focus was transmission lines, he also had a spreadsheet that covered bass-reflex boxes at one time. I'm sure he still does, or perhaps he morphed its functionality into one of the other spreadsheets. It would make sense, because in order to accurately predict response, you have to calculate both pipe mode resonance and cavity resonance.

You know, there is never really any sort of cabinet that is tuned solely by pipe modes or by cavety resonance. Both things are always present. That's kind of the point - It's important to realize that fact when designing cabinets. Most DIYers focus only on the mechanism they are trying to use, and that's fine as long as the other one is shifted out of the pasband. So for example, if the box is small, the pipe modes are high enough they are all attenuated by insulation. You can disregard them. Or if making a transmission line, if the port is sized where the Helmholtz frequency is really high or really low, then the cavity mode can be disregarded. But in the cases where both mechanisms might come into play - like most medium to large boxes and/or tower enclosures - it is important to model both mechanisms when simulating response. Otherwise you don't get the whole picture. Martin's spreadsheets do take these things into account, and that's what makes them so accurate.

So just tell him what you're trying to do when you send him your licensing fee. He'll suggest the spreadsheet that will work best for you.

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