It also allows folks to vent...

so we go from the extremes of endorsement, adulation, and approval all the way to envy, flaming, and bizarre behaviour as regards folks expressing opinions on products or personalities.

Who thinks Bill Gates gives two poops as to what his net detractors\haters say? Gates realizes that a certain amount of kook
attention is the price he must pay.

The best the anti gates netkook (who makes stalking gates his occupation or "reason for being") can hope for is to actually get a response from his target. Bill's smarter than that...

but what is more fun and not over the edge of sanity... is one of my favorite net "wars"....

which is better shimano or campagnolo?

I say campy hands down.

I say "just say no to Shimano"...

for fun do a google search on the phrase "just say not to shimano"...

most of the banter btwn the two camps is relatively good natured... though I would guess there are both anti-campy and anti-shimano kooks out there... who might become unglued a bit....

but if you really need to know why campy is better just go to

www.campyonly.com

which do you guys like? Are we campy fans or shimano fans?

msl

Some of the high end shimono is good gear. Shimono makes more low end junk though and just flashes their name on it?

Most of the campy stuff I've ever seen is all good shit, or Really good shit.

Why would gates give a pig or a poke about what anyone other than his wife thought? I'm surprised he hasn't started his on broadcasting network yet.

For many years campy did not offer components suitable for hybrids... this year and last has seen the introduction of components designed for hybrids and mountain biking... so perhaps campy will get back into these sectors of the bike industry.

I have a cinelli with carbon forks and stays.. it's the unica model.. which is equipped with mostly Chorus 10 speed components.

If campy still made the old Nuovo Record or Super Record groups... that's what I would still use... indexed shifting sucks in my opinion... but... it is the only game in town...

and talk now is how soon before campy and shimano raise the stakes (obsolete a bunch of equip) by going to 12 speed clusters in the rear...

it's actually a perfect example of how company's must continually "innovate" new and "improved" products when they compete in small niche markets... since the markets are so small and are not expanding at any real healthy rate... company's realize that they have to sell each buyer more than one Durace or Record grouppo to stay in biz....

what better way than to raise the stakes and obsolete last years products.... hence, twelve speeds... are not, I predict, too far off into the future.

cheers,

msl

for me... it's that darn old age gettin' in the way...

rebuilt a fixed gear track bike that I custom built (frame and all) back in 1980. With my commute being about four miles and all flat terrain... I was really excited to get back on my bike and do something healthy for a change...

wouldn't ya know it... my left knee goes south... pain out the wazoo... but nothing that the shot of cortizone didn't relieve quickly...

so... I guess I do need to dust it off and get back on the road.

the titanium spokes sound neat... have they held up well? wheel stay true?

cheers,

msl

Restricted to 8-spds of course.
cheers,
Douglas