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Countering throat distortion in conical mid horns [message #53106] Sun, 18 January 2009 16:54 Go to next message
Peter K is currently offline  Peter K
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Hi Wayne,

I am trying to get the best out of the conical horn pictured above. I will use it in the 160-1000 Hz range. Now, I would really like to hear if you do anything particular in order to counter throat resonances in your own conical mid horns, or whether you find that this is not really needed. I have a few specific questions that I hope you would respond too:

1. Have you tried to use any kind of ‘phase plug’ in your mid horn designs?
2. What is your take on different sizes of front chambers (e.g. using smaller/bigger ‘spacers/gaskets’ between the frame of the driver and the horn itself).

Thanks a lot Wayne!

Best regards
Peter


Re: Countering throat distortion in conical mid horns - now with link to picture (I hope)! [message #53107 is a reply to message #53106] Sun, 18 January 2009 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peter K is currently offline  Peter K
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Best regards
Peter

Conical mid horns [message #53109 is a reply to message #53107] Sun, 18 January 2009 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I tried various throat shapes and driver sizes when developing the midhorn used in π cornerhorns. I wanted a pure conical flare because it works well driven with a cone midrange and provides constant directivity. My midhorns are fairly large and designed to be snuggled into a corner, which acts as a sort of flare extension.

The front chamber is an acoustical low-pass filter, so increasing the volume of the front chamber tends to rolloff the high end sooner. The rear chamber sets the shape of the bottom end. Large chambers tend to have reduced bottom end but rolloff gradually. Smaller ones tend to boost the bottom or even peak somewhere in the lower passband, much like an undersized sealed woofer cabinet with high Q. The size and shape of the throat aperture does a lot of things, including changing compression ratio and setting path lengths. It's hard to make general statements except that higher compression generally increases efficiency, sometimes at the expense of causing ripples in response.

A phase plug would have been great for extending the upper frequency response, but I don't need the extension. My midhorns are paired with a compression horn tweeter, and they work fine up to the crossover point. In fact, the rolloff that is provided may help provide some acoustic crossover to the tweeter. In the end, I designed using measurements as my guide, and they sum beautifully on and off-axis, so I haven't had any reason to contemplate adding a phase plug.
Something to consider is the fact that traditional phase plugs are designed to make the wavefront more nearly a plane wave, and that's not what we want driving a conical horn. In this case, we want a spherical wave, and that's what is generated in the first place. So if a phase plug were to be added, it wouldn't be like the ones in a compression driver. Rather than trying to make path lengths equal across the cross-section, they would need to be made to be equal across a spherical surface boundary. The best shape would be one that first matched the path lengths from a cone shaped radiator to the square throat entry, and then further matched a spherical wavefront to the rectangular flare, making an oval shape wavefront.

In the end, I'm not sure that a phase plug would provide any benefit in this application. Again, if we wanted to extend the high frequency response, I think a phase plug would be useful but not in the midrange where the horn is designed to be used. I don't think the added complexity of a phase plug would offer anything to this design.
Re: Countering throat distortion in conical mid horns [message #53111 is a reply to message #53106] Sun, 18 January 2009 23:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I don't know why your image link didn't work, but I saw your horns in the link below. Could be the hosting system doesn't allow image links.

Good looking horns, by the way. http://www.audioroundtable.com/emoticons/smiley.gif

Put 'em in a cornerhorn, crossover to a tweeter with uniform directivity and you'll have constant directivity from the Schroeder frequency all the way up through the audio band.
'Thanks a lot for your reply! (nt) [message #53112 is a reply to message #53109] Mon, 19 January 2009 06:50 Go to previous message
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