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Vas calculator [message #53036] Sat, 03 January 2009 21:54 Go to next message
hitsware is currently offline  hitsware
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Wayne,
Would you tell me again
the formula for the Vas
calculator ?


Re: Vas calculator [message #53037 is a reply to message #53036] Sat, 03 January 2009 23:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Here 'tis:

Re: Vad calculator [message #53038 is a reply to message #53037] Sun, 04 January 2009 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank You, but I mean the one from your VadCalc calculator....

Electro-mechanical formulas ( Thiele / Small ) [message #53039 is a reply to message #53038] Sun, 04 January 2009 18:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I stopped maintaining the VadCalc applet. It was written in a weird little language called CA Realizer (Computer Associates), which I also used to write tubing movement programs for the oil and gas industry. I do most of my programming in C++, but that language was easier to use for some things, so I gave it a go for a while.

I assume you want to use it because you don't want to build a box to find Vas with the sealed box method. If that's the case, I suggest the added mass method. Then again, I understand the desire to have a method that works without two impedance sweeps. The VadCalc process was simple to do, and provided a pretty good estimate of Vas.

Here's a formula that you can use to calculate Vas, knowing efficiency n0, Qes and fs:

More woofers specs list the SPL output at 1W/1M than reference efficiency, so here's a converter:

These days, I use Keith Larson's Woofer Tester and Speaker Tester products. They really make life easier. It has evolved a long way since the original Woofer Tester that he used to sell through Parts Express. You can use it to do acoustic measurements and make a digital crossover using Spice models to simulate passive crossovers. It's a great tool. And it still does the T/S measurements.

If you want to find T/S specs making measurements manually, or if you want to calculate values from other known values, here's a list of formulas that can be used to solve pretty much whatever you want to find:

Speaker system total Q at fc

α constant

Speaker total Q at fs

Efficiency/bandwidth product

Resonant frequency

Electrical Q

System resonant frequency

System total Q at fc

Resonant frequency

Speaker total Q at fs

Half power frequency (-3dB point)

System resonant frequency

Internal box volume

Compliance

Free air reference efficiency

Speaker resonant frequency

Compliance

Speaker electrical Q

Sound pressure level

Free air reference efficiency

Maximum air volume displaced by cone excursion

Peak linear displacement

Diaphragm radiating area

Volume displaced at Xmax

Diaphragm effective radiating diameter

Diaphragm radiating area

K1 constant

Air density

System resonant frequency

Volume displaced at Xmax

Speed of sound

K2 constant

K1 constant

Amax constant

Maximum displacement limited power output

K1 constant

Amax constant

Required electrical input to achieve Par

Maximum displacement limited power output

Free air reference efficiency

Peak sound pressure level

Maximum power input



Hyper Thanks : .... :) [message #53040 is a reply to message #53039] Sun, 04 January 2009 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a Woofer Tester for drivers in hand,
but am trying to develope a crude system
for deriving ballpark T/S (Fs,Qts,Vas) parameters from
the data given by ceiling speaker makers.
For instance:
http://www.miscospeakers.com/Upload/pdf/KC620W-B%20Lit.pdf
http://www.quamspeakers.com/documents/techspec/QUAM_0201_8C10FECO.pdf
Obviously the first has more to work with.
Unfortunately the second is more typical.

Re: Hyper Thanks : .... :) [message #53042 is a reply to message #53040] Mon, 05 January 2009 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Yeah, I see your problem. Reminds me of driver specs in the 1970's.


Re: Electro-mechanical formulas ( Thiele / Small ) [message #53108 is a reply to message #53039] Sun, 18 January 2009 22:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What' s reference efficiency compared to the spl 1 watt 1 meter ?
THANKS

Re: Electro-mechanical formulas ( Thiele / Small ) [message #53110 is a reply to message #53108] Sun, 18 January 2009 23:44 Go to previous message
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Sensitivity (decibels @ 1W/1M)

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