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Two Towers tweeters [message #52436]

Tue, 12 August 2008 01:04

Shane
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Wayne, I've been using the Two Towers nearly exclusively with the 12B4 amp since I got the cabinets together two years ago--they sound quite good together. This weekend I hooked up the NAD BEE amp to them and was really suprised with the high end. It was somewhat harsh most of the time (way past the sparkle zone) and I found I was having to roll the high freq. off on the amp almost all the way with every CD I put through. The CDP is a NAD BEE as well, and I've never had this be as bad with some of my other speakers. The amp/CDP combo tends to lean toward the high freq. side a little and I've always rolled it down just a hair. One thing about the NAD tone controls is that they do a very good job of just effecting the very upper/lower end, not like the old tone controls of the past. Is there anything I can try to "tame" the tweeters just a little?

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Re: Two Towers tweeters [message #52439 is a reply to message #52436]

Tue, 12 August 2008 18:30

Wayne Parham
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You can always attenuated them a bit, perhaps with padding or even with a bit of shunt capacitance to rolloff the extreme HF even more. But I think I'd look at the source gear because the treble is not excessive on this speaker, in fact, it's down about a decibel. See response below:

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Re: Two Towers tweeters [message #52443 is a reply to message #52439]

Tue, 12 August 2008 22:31

Shane
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The source gear is definitely part of the problem. Although I don't have this problem with the Polk Monitors and ART arrays using the NAD, so some of it is the speaker. Quite possibly the room is a big factor as well as it's in a bedroom, similar to when I listened to your Towers, and I may be losing a lot to the bed

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Re: Two Towers tweeters [message #52445 is a reply to message #52443]

Tue, 12 August 2008 23:24

Wayne Parham
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One clue as to what's happening is the ART arrays use the same tweeter as the two π tower. The ART arrays have recessed upper midrange around 2kHz, what I usually call the overtone region. It's the edge of stringed instruments and the rasp of voices. So maybe that's what you're hearing because the two π tower has a little bit higher output in this same area, around 2kHz.

The ART Arrays have a bit higher output around 500Hz to 1kHz, but that sounds more like presence. It's upper midrange, the C above middle C and the octave above that. But the second octave above that is where the the ART Arrays tend to fall off and the two π's tend to rise a bit. That is the real difference in tonal balance between these two speakers, not the tweeter but the upper end of the range covered by the midwoofer(s).

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Re: Two Towers tweeters [message #52447 is a reply to message #52445]

Wed, 13 August 2008 01:52

Shane
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So what values might you suggest to tweak the Xover just to see? I could put a switch to go back and forth to the original xover like Fred has with some of his designs.

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Re: Two Towers tweeters [message #52453 is a reply to message #52447]

Wed, 13 August 2008 12:09

Wayne Parham
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Registered: January 2001

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You might try a larger coil on the woofer, say 1mH or so. Adding a Zobel will also attenuate the top end of the midwoofer's range, so you could try that.

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