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Re: Kilomax-18 [message #63510 is a reply to message #63495] Sun, 25 July 2010 00:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne-o is currently offline  Wayne-o
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Does the same principals apply if you don't use any horns ?

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Modal smoothing using dense interference from multiple sound sources [message #63514 is a reply to message #63510] Sun, 25 July 2010 09:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Oh, yes, absolutely. Modal smoothing is done with dense interference. It's kind of the opposite approach to what you'd take to get a good point source.

In an anechoic environment (outdoors), you'd want a point source. That would ensure constructive summing even when the listener moved. But indoors, you have self-interference from boundary reflections. That interference makes the benefits of a point source mute at low frequencies, below the Schroeder frequency, around 150Hz to 200Hz, depending on the room.

Since you can't eliminate the interference, what you want to do is to make it so dense the sound becomes an averaged field rather than forming discrete zones of destructive interference and constructive interference. Those make noticeable peaks and dips in the bass and midbass response, all the way up into the lower midrange. The trick is to do this at low frequencies, but phase it out as frequency rises. You want distributed sound sources down low and point sources up high.

Re: Modal smoothing using dense interference from multiple sound sources [message #63661 is a reply to message #63514] Wed, 04 August 2010 21:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you were crossing over two drivers at 800 hz, would you need to keep them separated about 4-6 inches to make them blend together.
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Position of nulls from adjacent sound sources [message #63662 is a reply to message #63661] Wed, 04 August 2010 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I think you are talking about two 18" woofers with their edges 4" to 6" apart, so roughly 22" to 24" center-to-center. If that's so, you can calculate the angle where the nulls will be at their maximum using the formula below:

a = arcsin (λc/2d1)

where:

d1 is the center-to-center distance between sound sources
λc is the wavelength
a is the half-angle between nulls (2a is the arc between nulls)

so:

d1 = 0.61m (24") between the woofer centers
λc = 0.43m (17") wavelength of 800Hz
a = 20° or 2a = 40° (arc between nulls)

Re: Position of nulls from adjacent sound sources [message #63692 is a reply to message #63662] Thu, 05 August 2010 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne-o is currently offline  Wayne-o
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Well I was off topic, I was talking about putting a horn crossed at 800 hz with a mid driver like a Omega-15. Would they blend close together or would you need to separate them 5-6 inches in order to smooth them ?
Re: Position of nulls from adjacent sound sources [message #63693 is a reply to message #63692] Thu, 05 August 2010 13:24 Go to previous message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Oh, I understand now. No, use the stock four π crossover designed for use with the Omega 15. The crossover frequency is pretty near there, just north of that actually. Keep the driver spacing close, because this sets the position of the forward lobe and the vertical nulls. Don't reinvent the wheel, build it as designed. Lots of work went into refinement and optimization of that loudspeaker.
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