Troy [message #5652] |
Wed, 16 February 2005 15:59 |
lon
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Without going into all the bloody details (figuratively or literally) this new film with Brad Pitt as the Beaver was a huge waste of time. This is how boring it was: during the film I was going out online looking for cheesecake photos of Helen and Andromache.
OTOH, there's this small film made in the European market or for tv and distributed to vid stores that I thought was a better product.
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Re: Troy [message #5662 is a reply to message #5654] |
Thu, 17 February 2005 22:54 |
lon
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The only good thing that came out of all this was that I recalled seeing the film version of The Trojan Women by Euripides and starring Katherine Hepburn. No, I didn't find it as an obscurelibrary listing, it was on the shelf at Blockbuster way back when.When I remembered it, I requested my library to add it to it's collection of plays. It's in a current Kino Video version on dvd. Also that Helen O' Troy I mentioned _is_ stocked by the local library. I was going to re-rent and was surprised to see it turn up.
All these big war adventures got triggered by the upsurge of nationalism after 911. I'll bet my shirt on it. But to give some historical distance, they picked antiquity and made Troy and Alexander the Great.
I'm getting weary of these CGI "cast of hundreds of thousands" epics. There's that haze you can always see in the CGI images that says "fake".
No good s-f films being made, so now that I have a dvd player, I'm catching up on Star Trek Voyager episodes.
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Re: Star Trek (original series) [message #5666 is a reply to message #5664] |
Fri, 18 February 2005 11:46 |
lon
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I remember reading the Making Of Star Trek book and back on TOS (The Original Series) the costume designer wrote about how he worked in as much cheesecake as he could for the alien babes. Even the terra babes on the crew had short skirts. In the revival series' they took an absolutely Puritan approach in the 80's. Then came Jeri Ryan as Seven Of Nine in ST-V (Star Trek Voyager.) Still, there seems to be consistent pattern of keeping sex out of the program-- unlike the rest of tv and unlike ST-TOS. The future isn't what it used to be.
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Re: Star Trek (original series) [message #5668 is a reply to message #5667] |
Sat, 19 February 2005 02:01 |
lon
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And if the costume guidelines reflecting 1960's style were to continue into the Next Generation and have elements of our current age, the female crew mmbers would have hip huggers and bare midriffs. I actually think a lot more care is taken with the newer series. It's less broad and not as much scenery chewing.
The features films, with notable exceptions, have been getting better in that there is less 'fan service' (a term used in anime quite a bit) and more story. If the plot lines were written then as they are now, the Borg collective would be a reference to Communism I suppose.
I stopped watching tv after the first episode of ST-V, not because I didn't like Voyager, I had just had it with commercial televison. I never went back.
But now I can watch the content without the advertising.
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Re: Star Trek (original series) [message #5671 is a reply to message #5669] |
Sat, 19 February 2005 12:04 |
lon
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ST-TOS was a landmark show. So much so that people never forgot it and initiated a 20 year campaign to bring it back to television. I agree that the characters represented all that is best about an inclusive society. But I wonder how that one episode with 2 primative peoples at perpetual war with each other would be viewed today. I'm thinking of the one that concludes with Kirk reciting the Declaration of Independence. Even as a kid, that choked me up a little bit when hearing it. Today 30% of high school kids polled are in favor of a reduction of freedom for a spurious security.
The fact is that productions these days are made by business administrators rather than even studio heads. So the production landscape has become severely limited. And there's not enough of us old trekkies to keep it going. Think of what they did with that show in symbolic and artistic terms: showing the race conflict of the time as a fight between two men, each having a half/half skin color on opposite sides-- and when they spoke they reflected each other's image. That one was written by Harlan Ellison. Ellison is now one of the senior figures in s-f and fantasy, mostly as a consultant and editor. As a final aside, I wish I knew all the authors of those episodes who worked under pseudonyms. Major figures of that era wrote some of them under pen names.
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