RIAA preamp? [message #30375] |
Thu, 03 February 2005 11:39 |
Damir
Messages: 1005 Registered: May 2009
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Hey, just a thought - oversized PS with free 2x300V winding, big chasis - why not put RIAA preamp inside, selectable to the input (100k pot) of the line preamp? I tinkered for a few hours about this idea today - I tried to be as simple as possible ("all in one go" EQ, just one double triode), and without "exotic", hard to find values for the RIAA EQ - R1, R2, C1, C2. The little "trick" is to find the C1 cap with little lower value then standard 10nF, about 9,76 nF (not a big problem actually, most of the standard 10 & 20 % caps I tried are little lower in value). Then, with our RIAA equations: R1C1=2187uS, R1C2=750uS, R2C1=318uS, C1/C2=2,916 we can find: R1=224 kOhms - our Rout from the first stage is about 3k, and we can use standard E96 value, 221k/1% (even E24 value 220k with small selection) R2=32,58 kOhms - little tricky, we can select between some 33k resistors, or use some cobination, or just use E96 value 32,4k C2=3,347 nF - "input" capacitance of the second stage is about 47pF, and just use standard 3,3nF cap of your choice (2,5% tol. if possible) If we want to use this preamp to drive more then few cm of cable, then we can use active DN2540 load for R7=15k, and use low imp. out. Theoretical amplification is about 80 times/1k, more then enough for "normal" MM cartridges + our line stage. Well, this is just some thoughts/computing/simulations (almost perfect, of course:-)). Is not a problem to build it, problem is that I don`t have the quality measuring devices to actually try RIAA accuracy:-(. Maybe...hm...Doug? And, BTW - some other tubes besides E188/7308 can be implemented, probably E180CC, maybe 6N1P or so... Both triodes work with rel. high current, Ia1=10mA, Ia2=9,5mA. Thoughts?
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Re: RIAA preamp? [message #30447 is a reply to message #30375] |
Fri, 11 February 2005 08:05 |
PakProtector
Messages: 935 Registered: May 2009
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Well, it looks good to me. I have a few ideas. First is to use a Guinevere-style plate load on the final stage. It offers the high drive capability and a little more free gain without interfering with the RIAA parameters. Second, I'd suggest the 6BQ7A/6BK7B valve. It is inexpensivew and a little higher gain. Cg-a is comaprable to any of the mentioned alternatives. regards, Douglas
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something like it.... [message #30475 is a reply to message #30467] |
Fri, 11 February 2005 15:27 |
PakProtector
Messages: 935 Registered: May 2009
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I am going to try for a two-stage valve pre for MC. Cascode of the front end stage. Probably a pair of triode strapped, high gm pentodes. Get the first stage gain in neighborhood of 200:1 and feed the RIAA filter and end with a CCS-loaded 6BQ7 perhaps. Getting half or a third of mu-squared from a cascode is not too difficult I think. the troubles I can see from here are mainly the high output z of the cascode stage and the correspondingly high z RIAA EQ. The Guinevere-style plate load will do a good job of driving cables. I may decide to put in a variable capacitance in the front, as the cascode will be nearly free of Miller effects. Still looking at it. regards, Douglas That and noise....heh-heh-heh!
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6EJ7 [message #30476 is a reply to message #30375] |
Fri, 11 February 2005 18:28 |
PakProtector
Messages: 935 Registered: May 2009
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Hey-Hey!!!, Been looking at the sheet to the EF184/6EJ7. Nice, mu ov 60 and gm of 15 mA/V in triode connection. That leaves a plate z of 4k, which is acceptable.Do you know of a sheet with its triode curves? With that I could generate the cascode plate curves and see what gain I could realize. mu-squared is unbelievable ( 3600 ). If I could get 10% of that I'd be in business. regards, Douglas
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Re: 6EJ7 cascode A [message #30491 is a reply to message #30476] |
Sat, 12 February 2005 14:27 |
Damir
Messages: 1005 Registered: May 2009
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You probably know this, but just in case... Amplification of the cascode is A=gm*Ra, just like in pentode, where gm is gm of "compound device, quasy pentode", or A~gm1*Ra , where gm1 is transconductance of the lower triode, IME - always gives a little "optimistic" values. With unbypassed Rk, gm1`~gm/3, and with Ra~8k2 - A~40. Of course, there are "full" formulas for this ("Valve Amplifiers", RDH, "Vacuum tube amplifiers"). For complicated cascode versions there`s always SPICE (hey, I have EF184 pentode 3f4 model - if you feel desire for it...). I also thought about cascode RIAA, but that Rout...
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