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Sorry if this is an obvious question....... [message #24849] Wed, 02 March 2005 06:12 Go to next message
Mr Vinyl is currently offline  Mr Vinyl
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Hi,

I have never used headphones before but am thinking of purchasing a pair. Here's my question. If my preamp doesn't have a head phone jack, can a pair of headphones be used off of the unused output jacks? In other words my preamp has two pairs of output jacks. Can headphones be connected directly to these jacks? Are any adapters needed to do this if it's possible.

Thanks for you in advance.
Mr Vinyl

Re: Sorry if this is an obvious question....... [message #24850 is a reply to message #24849] Wed, 02 March 2005 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently online  Wayne Parham
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Sure, you can do that but watch it with the volume knob.


Re: Sorry if this is an obvious question....... [message #24851 is a reply to message #24850] Wed, 02 March 2005 15:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr Vinyl is currently offline  Mr Vinyl
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Hi Wayne,

Is there a down side to doing this? I mean, don't most preamps have two outputs? If so why buy a separate headphone amp? I would think you would get better sound coming straight off the preamp wouldn't you?

Thanks
Mr Vinyl

Re: Sorry if this is an obvious question....... [message #24852 is a reply to message #24851] Thu, 03 March 2005 02:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently online  Wayne Parham
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Preamp level outputs don't usually have the oomph. What you want is an amplifier capable of driving a relatively low impedance, since headphones are usually between 8 and 40 ohms. That's about the same as speakers. You don't need much power though.


Re: Sorry if this is an obvious question....... [message #24853 is a reply to message #24849] Fri, 04 March 2005 07:34 Go to previous message
GarMan is currently offline  GarMan
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You may be able to hear through the second output, but I doubt it would sound very good. The biggest problem would be impedence mismatch. Preamps typcially have output impedence of several hundred ohms (some even into the thousands) and are designed to drive amplifiers with input impedence starting from 10K. "Typical" amplifiers have input impedence of 50K or 100K. By contrast, headphones have input impedence starting as low as 16 ohms.

Also, if your preamp has an output capacitor, you would experience tremendous bass roll-off with the low impedence headphones.

There are a few options if you want to listen with headphones, but do not have a headphone jack built in:

1) L-Pad at output of amp. Simpliest and cheapest option. This takes the output from the power amplifier, reduces the wattage through an L-Pad, and connects to the headphone. I've tried this, works okay, but sounds muffled.

2) Transformer couple either the preamp output or power amp output to the headphone so that voltage and impedence levels match. Antique Sound Lab sells a couple of units for this purpose:
http://www.divertech.com/uhcsignature.html
http://www.divertech.com/aqreferencetools.html
I've never tried these units, but the manufacturer saids it maintains sound characteristics of the preamp or power amp it's connected to.

If you like to experiment, you might be able to built your own transformer coupling unit for your preamp with a pair of Hammond 119DA. It's a high quality 600:8 audio transformer. The tube headphone amp I'm using is a basic common cathode / cathode follower design, with a pair of these transformers as output. Sounds fantastic!
http://www.hammondmfg.com/collins.htm

3) Build / buy a dedicated headphone amp. Even if your preamp has a headphone jack, it's usually built as an after-thought with a $0.25 opamp. There's a lot in the market to choose from depending on the quality you're looking for, from chip-based to SS to tubes. And yes, a good headphone amp does make a big difference, provided you're using a high quality set of headphones. Even a simple opamp design like the CMOY will outperform most built-in headphone jacks.

Hope this helps,
Gar.

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