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I'm fascinated by the Double Horn Single driver speaker box [message #20182] Sun, 25 July 2004 22:20 Go to next message
lon is currently offline  lon
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Below is a picture of a double horn single driver project.


But it is a trick photo: Look closely and you will see
a mirror image of the bottom part of the enclosure reproduced
on the top-- upside down.


I still like it.


But there is a lot of questions how to make the compression
chamber for a single driver with a top and a bottom horn mouth.

Maybe Sir Fitz will take an interest in this.



Re: I'm fascinated by the Double Horn Single driver speaker box [message #20183 is a reply to message #20182] Sun, 25 July 2004 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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HI Lon,
The link does not work... ithink it;s becuase the new melhuish site uses some fancy php software that may preclude linking....or maybe just their server is down!
I am facinated by the 2 wya horn...what's the concept here? Hornload the same driver both ways? Wonder what that does to high frequencies and efficiencies? What kind of driver would be suitable for this? Just some initial questions for hte more experienced horn builders amongst us.
-akhilesh

Re: I'm fascinated by the Double Horn Single driver speaker box [message #20185 is a reply to message #20182] Mon, 26 July 2004 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Have a look at Terry Cain's creations (Cain & Cain)! He's the king of doublehorn singledriver!
In my opinion, having 2 horns instead of 1 won't change much in the sound quality, except perhaps a better integration (the driver being exactly in between the two mouths), but for higher freq., no effect at all.
Design wise, it reduces the footprint by putting half the bulk above the driver. But I sure would'nt want this thing to topple on a children (or cat, or dog, or feet)...

Re: I'm fascinated by the Double Horn Single driver speaker box [message #20186 is a reply to message #20185] Mon, 26 July 2004 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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HI Robert,
Are the same frequencies coming out of two different mouths? Or is there a frequency divide?
thanx
-akhilesh

Re: I'm fascinated by the Double Horn Single driver speaker box [message #20187 is a reply to message #20182] Mon, 26 July 2004 13:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that link doesn't work for me - here or from the other forum where you posted.

also, i didn't find it in the images section of the other forum.

any ideas?

toddM

Re: I'm fascinated by the Double Horn Single driver speaker box [message #20188 is a reply to message #20186] Mon, 26 July 2004 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As far as I can tell, both paths are tuned to the same frequency. Obviously, somewhere, the path breaks in two (probably in the first or second bend after the throat), but you should ask TC, just to make sure.

huh.... [message #20189 is a reply to message #20188] Mon, 26 July 2004 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wonder why there should be two mouths then. WOuldn;t it make the speaker smaller if only one mouth was used?
hmmm i know almost nothng about horn design theory, so i'll let others jump in. Thanks for pointing out this design though!
-akhilesh

Re: huh.... [message #20190 is a reply to message #20189] Mon, 26 July 2004 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Someone like Bill Fitzmaurice could answer on this.
His 'snail' series of designs point the driver rearwards
and move the sound to right and left through a divided
horn. They look like the letter 'M' in McDonalds.


There's a fresh snail design in the current audioXpress
and on the cover. The snails are mostly designed to be
PA speakers for musicians, but the Snail 2 was a regular
stand up three-way system. The woofer on that design
wasn't exposed at all.

There's lots of horn designs but why I like the double
horn is that the lower frequencies get up to listening
height... or that's the way I imagine the physics to work.


The J-Lo is an over/under design for the Jordan 92s
from Nelson Pass and friends. But that design gives no
thought to having to move the huge crate that the J-Lo
construction is.


I also don't know if sound waves are affected by gravity.


There's been some speculation about that.



Re: I'm fascinated by the Double Horn Single driver speaker box [message #20191 is a reply to message #20183] Mon, 26 July 2004 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://fullrangedriver.com/tiki-download_forum_attachment.php?attId=27

Try that and pste it into the box. It loads for me from bookmarks.


I am frustrated. I just made a long message about backhorns and
blew it off, so here goes again.


Bill Fitzmaurice can help on these questions. Over years
he has built a series of designs he calls the 'snails'.
Snail one though... Snail 8 i think. These are speakers which
are designed to be high efficiency PA speaks for musicians.


There is a snail build in the current (August 2004)
audioXpress and on the cover as well. The snails have
a woofer facing rearwards into a divided horn which comes out
the right and left side of the enclosure. Imagine the letter
'M" from McDonalds and you'll get the idea.


Terry Cain also has a concept like this. It looks like
a standard BK16 from the Fostex manufacturer's design page
_plus_ a mirror image backhorn coming out the top. They
no doubt weigh a ton.


Another over/under design is from Nelson Pass called the
J-lo (also in audioXpress... I'll find the issue for you if
you like) which uses a single Jordan 92s.


I'm sending now so i son't lose this one. :-)




You are right, the link does not work [message #20192 is a reply to message #20183] Tue, 27 July 2004 01:57 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Must be a from here to there problem because I have it
in bookmarks.


However, I copied the link to myself as mail and could
not get it either.


This may be because the guy Ron took the bogus *pic*
down. Over at www.fullrangedriver.com ron's address
is available at the fullrange driver form post called
"Does this look familiar?" I was trying to find it
and this guy ron responded.


Now, on to things we can actually find pictures of
real projects. ;-)




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