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Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12800] Sun, 19 February 2006 15:15 Go to next message
Anonymous is currently offline  Anonymous
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Baron
Hello everyone,

I have been here about 2-3 months ago, with my questions about fixing an old Dual CS-505-2 turntable, and later about purchasing a new turntable. Well, I haven't done much with my old turntable (not really into it right now), but I still have a question (many, perhaps) about a NEW turntable (which I haven't yet purchased as well).

The Technics SL-1200 suggested by manualblock is a great one, although some say it is only great for DJing (where the quality of sound is not really important). Personally, I found it too expensive mostly because it has a lot of functions that I am never going to use (and that would bother me as well, more than the fact that I paid too much would). It is a DJ turntable, meaning it has all the functions necessary for scratching and beat matching, while I am looking for a turntable that would simply sound great.

Does anyone know any worthy and less-expensive alternatives to the Technics SL-1200? (I am looking for a new one.)

An ideal one would be a direct-drive turntable and have the same or nearly the same specifications on which the quality of sound depends (signal-to-noise ratio, Wow and flutter, and so on...) and features (three speeds (33, 45, and 78), pitch control, and a stroboscopic light).

...In other words, it would be a turntable that would compromise unnecessary DJ-functions (rather than compromising sound quality) to a lower price.

I have been able to locate one: http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/turntables/c2b92193a60be297/index.html. Need your opinions as well.

Thank you very much!

Re: Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12802 is a reply to message #12800] Sun, 19 February 2006 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Manualblock is currently offline  Manualblock
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Let me speak to your concerns here as best as I can in terms of what I think about record players.
I suggest the Technics to people because it is a no-brainer for those who need a quality trouble-free unit to play their records on that won't destroy them due to bad main and arm bearings slopping around and killing dynamics and detail and bass definition and high end response.
I have no loyalty to Technics except for those reasons; any table that provides the quality of motor/main bearing/arm bearing and specs would do just as fine. The problem is there just aren't many tables that can provide those qualities at such a low price. Under the price of the SL 1200 you cannot possibly get that quality; no company could afford to produce tables like that.
When you say the 1200 is a DJ table; what does that mean? It has very good bearings and materials in the set-up of the motor-bearing; the arm is a pretty good gimbaled bearing with very good tolerances; the speed drive system is extremely accurate and well made and the plinth and platter are machined to very tight tolerances and made of good alloys with good weight and balance. Thats what is required for good sounding playback. DJ's like them because they are built like tanks not because of their features. On the job you don't want your tools breaking down.
The options available for upgrading offered by KAB will ratchet up the performance sound-wise exponentially should you ever get some spare cash.
Regarding cost; I have seen new SL 1200 tables going for 389$; which to me is amazing for what you get. But unfortunately that is pretty much the bottom line in terms of realistic and quality players. Go below that and I really don't care what they offer as specs; there is just no way they can produce and still make money.
My humble opinion? If you have a budget; wait. Save the extra 100$ and buy a table that will sound decent and work for a long time. And remmember they hold their value, keep that table in good shape and in five yrs you will sell it for what you paid for it. Not so for the cheap tables; buy it and take it home and it is pretty much worthless.
I have no knowledge of any of the cheaper tables; I would like to be of more help but they are just below my radar.
Now some people say the Project or MMF tables are decent for 350$; but they are belt drive and truthfully; the arms suck and they wobble.
As long as you require the table be new then I suggest holding out for a better quality.
I hope this explains my position without sounding pompous.

Re: Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12803 is a reply to message #12802] Sun, 19 February 2006 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous is currently offline  Anonymous
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Thanks, manualblock.

Another interesting thing is that this Audio-Technica turntable looks pretty much the same as the Technics. I wonder why?

I have seen other tables that look almost or exactly as the Technics.

Re: Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12804 is a reply to message #12803] Sun, 19 February 2006 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Manualblock is currently offline  Manualblock
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I would assume they are trying to copy the look in order to get people to look at them. Actually I am not sure why they look alike.
I just picked up a SL 1600 for 90$. Runs like a watch and it came with a new Shure M95 ed. Only have it for three weeks so I can't attest to it's logetivity but; so far so good. They are out there and pretty cheap.
The SL 1600 series is the same arm as the SL 1200. And it has the pitch control. I am not so thrilled that it is semi-automatic; I may disable that feature. But it sounds real nice.
I only bought it because I want to try the silicon paddle modification to the arm and the DC speed controller outboard. Something to play with.
One thing I forgot to address. If you have a lot of albums that kind of tweaks the equation some; you want to preserve them if possible and that means a good arm is a neccessary.

Re: Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12805 is a reply to message #12804] Mon, 20 February 2006 01:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous is currently offline  Anonymous
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Baron
"If you have a lot of albums that kind of tweaks the equation some; you want to preserve them if possible and that means a good arm is a neccessary."

Interesting, but isn't it actually the styli that wears records?

Actually, I only have about fourty LPs and about ten 7" 45s in total, but I am buying more from time to time, and I am looking at buying many more later. I've got Pink Floyd, Scorpions, and Queen. I am sure you know these artists.

Re: Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12806 is a reply to message #12805] Mon, 20 February 2006 07:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Manualblock is currently offline  Manualblock
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Sure I know them; and if metal and arena rock is your style then you are in luck because those are available all over the map for next to nothing in price. You can build a nice collection.
The styli must be held in the horizontal and lateral plane as rigidly as possible while allowing the arm to rotate across the record. That requires very tight tolerance well made arm bearings. If they are loose; the arm wiggles around the stylus and causes groove damage.

Re: Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12809 is a reply to message #12800] Mon, 20 February 2006 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gumby1 is currently offline  gumby1
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I think you can find what you are looking for at www.kabusa.com

Re: Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12814 is a reply to message #12800] Thu, 23 February 2006 21:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Waynefi is currently offline  Waynefi
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Forget the DJ tag, and take a look at this recent review on TNT. The audiophiles are finally coming out of the closet on this turntable , and with a few mods from KAB, you will have all you will want.

Re: Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12815 is a reply to message #12814] Fri, 24 February 2006 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I dig it, thanks for the link. I always liked that turntable.


Re: Alternatives to Technics SL-1200 [message #12816 is a reply to message #12814] Fri, 24 February 2006 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Manualblock is currently offline  Manualblock
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Say Waynefi; Thanks much for that link. I know I have heard many quiet snickers behind my positive reviews of this table but if people opened their ears they would not have any trouble telling what sounds good.
Thanks. ( The only bad thing is now they rise in price after people wise up.)

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