| Pull pin... [message #10955] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 04:50  |
PakProtector
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throw Grenade... How would you folks quantify the differences between SE and PP sound. I'll make a few assumptions that both are well done and otherwise sound good. The basic assumtion is that *something* is different. So, what is this "something"? regards,
Douglas
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| Re: Pull pin... [message #10956 is a reply to message #10955] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 06:19  |
Manualblock
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Trick Question?
I like the detail and sense of control of PP. I like the smooth and woody tone from SE.Are you considering experimenting on the dark side?
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| nope... [message #10957 is a reply to message #10956] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 08:14 |
PakProtector
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it is not a trick question. My intro was a dry sort of atempt to recognize that it could get turned into an enthusiastic discussion. I have heard a fairly distinct difference. It is subtle, and requires a good amp and system to pick out quickly. I have heard other things which I'd attribute to circuit design and execution( from both topologies ). SE gets the 'that's quite different' reaction. It is often just such a difference which can be pointed to as reason to say, "better". I have seen it the other way, listening to a bunch of SE and then plugging my PP amp. Usually it is a combo of things like power and ( IMO ) putting in a better amp in. Clean headroom is not to be sneezed at. A SE design with 3-4 watts is going to be running too close to the edge on a lot ov the peaks... I am not considerig SE for power just now. Been messing about with phono stage design...and of course the Amp project for Group Build. good news there BTW, some 20W Peerless 20-20 models are on the way to me( and then on to the Winder ).
regards,
Douglas
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| Re: Pull pin... [message #10960 is a reply to message #10958] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 10:08 |
TC
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>>PPs have much less distortion..>SETs have much more esp even order, hence they sound richer or fatter.
Akilesh, do some study before saying stuff like that. Sorry, you were baited.
Thers plenty of really really bad Pp out there too. Try not to generalize. TC
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| Re: nope... [message #10961 is a reply to message #10959] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 10:24 |
TC
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Bee eye en-gee-o, Bee eye en-gee-o, Bee eye en-gee-o N Bingo was his name-O. TC
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| Re: Pull pin... [message #10963 is a reply to message #10960] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 12:48 |
akhilesh
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TC,
Thank you for your advice on further study. We could ALL do with more study, especially the less technical amongst us who have no idea about engineering of any sort. For your benefit, please read the statement below:
"Amp designs with push-pull or balanced topologies can achieve lower overall levels of distortion than single ended amps. On the other hand, they achieve this overall distortion reduction chiefly by canceling out even order (2nd, 4th, etc.) distortion byproducts, which leaves behind a disproportionate share of odd order (3rd, 5th, etc.) distortion byproducts. "
Taken from:
http://www.iar-80.com/page2.html Hope this helps you. My advice would be to read that entire page, it would be well worth your while.
thanx
-akhilesh
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