Wayne, which speaker for PA tops? [message #66773] |
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OneBean
Messages: 37 Registered: May 2009
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I am considering building some PA mains to go with some equipment my buddies have for a bar band. Which speaker do you recommend for us? One of the guys has a pair of Peavey 18" subs, and I have a variety of Crown and QSC amps to drive them. This is a rock / Blues band in smaller venues of about 1000 - 2000 square feet. We mic the drums and guitar, and the Bass runs through a direct box to the board, so the mains need to be able to support these with the subs taking everything from about 150 down. No keyboard or horns. Let me know what you think. Thanks.
OneBean
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Re: Wayne, which speaker for PA tops? [message #66778 is a reply to message #66777] |
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OneBean
Messages: 37 Registered: May 2009
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I built your Stage 4 Pi about 5 years ago, and I still love them as much as the first day. They have completely cured me of constant looking for new "better" speakers. I have a couple questions for you. Should I consider buying the new 4 Pi with upgraded drivers, installing them in my existing cabinets, and moving my Stage 4 Pi drivers to new cabinets for PA duty? Is there a significant jump in performance from the standard Eminance drivers, to the upgraded JBL and B&C drivers? Is the crossover upgrade worth the extra money? I have Bottlehead Paramours (2A3) driving them, and listen to mostly rock and blues. Also, my Stage 4 pi speakers have never seem more than 3 watts. Is it possible they aren't broken in yet? I have a bunch of hours on them, probably over 3000 hours of a variety of material. Like I said, I love the Stage 4 Pi, and wouldn't consider upgrading if I wasn't looking for some PA speakers. What do you think?
OneBean
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Upgrades [message #66779 is a reply to message #66778] |
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Wayne Parham
Messages: 18752 Registered: January 2001
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Upgrades are worth their extra cost. I would upgrade in the following order, as I think these bring the greatest improvements in this order:
1. Woofer
2. Compression driver
3. Coils
4. Capacitors
5. Resistors
The upgraded woofer make a big difference, especially in midbass and midrange quality. I mean, the Omega 15 sounds nice but it just can't be compared to the JBL 2226. I think the biggest reason for this is the flux stabilization ring in the JBL woofer. It makes the motor more linear, reducing distortion and improving clarity. It also makes the speaker less fatiguing to listen to for extended periods or at high volume levels or both.
The tweeter is next. The DE250 is noticably smoother than the PSD2002, sounding more "mellow" but at the same time still being as crisp, even more so. The stock tweeter sounds good, and I wouldn't call it harsh by any means. Some titanium drivers are, but the stock one isn't. But still, the upgraded driver is more smooth, and it's worth upgrading, in my opinion.
The stock crossover is very good, and I think crossover upgrades are mostly for bragging rights. One exception is the coils, with the larger ones having less internal resistance, which improves damping. They aren't necessary by any means, but the low cost of the upgraded coils make that a worthwhile upgrade. The resistors don't cost much either, so some people like to upgrade them as well. The capacitor upgrades are pricey, and to my ears don't buy much. But if you want the very best, the capacitors can be upgraded too.
Lastly but certainly not least, I would suggest running multisubs, especially if you're running low power SET amps. The mains are really great for what they do best, but as with all high-efficiency mains, they don't reach down into subwoofer territory. When you push them with a lot of power, the midbass is so strong that you can sometimes feel like there's no need for subs. But really, they aren't hitting the deepest notes. And especially with low power, I think subs make a big difference. Besides, running a couple subs in addition to the mains help smooth room modes, probably an even more important feature than the increased extension. So if you haven't been using subs thus far, do yourself a favor and give it a try.
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