Pi Speaker choice - Can they sound like a Klipschorn? [message #33673] |
Mon, 13 August 2001 22:36 ![Go to next message Go to next message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/down.png) |
Super_BQ
Messages: 37 Registered: May 2009
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I'm new to pi speaker enclosures. At this website http://www.pispeakers.com/Prices.htm I've been looking at all the different models. My question is do ANY of them (or Pi speakers in particular) sound like the Klipsch Klipschorns? I'm not happy with how Klipsch won't be producing new Klipschorns until next year. So it would be great to find an alternative. I see all those speakers on that website can take HUGE amount of power. The amp I want to use is at my website which is only 25w x 2.
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Theater Series seven Pi's are a good comparison [message #33674 is a reply to message #33673] |
Mon, 13 August 2001 23:51 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/down.png) |
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Wayne Parham
Messages: 18757 Registered: January 2001
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The models most like the Klipschorns are the cornerhorns, and a valid comparison would be the Theater Series seven Pi's, which use components of similar quality. If you want a real treat, build yourself a pair of Professional Series seven Pi's. They have JBL pro drivers with advanced motor structures and shorting rings that reduce distortion to very low levels, some 50x lower than drivers without shorting rings. The Klipschorn is an excellent design, but it just can't match the performance of Professional Series seven Pi's with JBL pro drivers.
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Re: What about the thermionic line? [message #33675 is a reply to message #33674] |
Tue, 14 August 2001 05:04 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/down.png) |
Randy Bey
Messages: 15 Registered: May 2009
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I see that the seven Pi (built by you) runs about $800, if memory serves. Since I have 300B SET, this is what I would be interested in. Not too sure I want to sell my Khorns to "audition" a seven Pi though...
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Son of Zen has highish output impedance so low Zmax [message #33676 is a reply to message #33674] |
Tue, 14 August 2001 05:12 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/down.png) |
AudioLapDance
Messages: 40 Registered: May 2009
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Hey Super BQ, Homer: "Mmmmmm Super BBQ ..." I recall that all of Nelson Pass's DIY amps (Zen, Son of Zen) have a highish output impedance (just like us tube heads); that is, a low damping factor. Thus you'll need a speaker with a low Zmax. So check out Wayne's speakers--especially the Theater Seven Pi as the big guy suggests. I think the JBL2226 has a fairly low Zmax so you could use them too. Maybe you could email Nelson and ask what he suggests and then post the response here. Enjoy, Jeff
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Re: Son of Zen has highish output impedance so low Zmax [message #33681 is a reply to message #33676] |
Tue, 14 August 2001 11:03 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/down.png) |
Super_BQ
Messages: 37 Registered: May 2009
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Yes my SoZ amp has a very low damping factor. Maybe i'm using the wrong kind of amp as it seems like these Pi speaker are more suited for concert / outdoor use with BIG power amps. The only audition my SoZ has ever had was with a pair of B&W 6P speakers. They're not really what I was looking for as the small woofers they used would distort out or wash out at higher SPL. Also they don't have that fruity tooty horn sound that I like. Havn't e-mailed Nelson Pass as I think he's quite a busy guy - he probably has enough e-mails every day. But if I get desperate, I may bug him 1 more time. I'm also getting parts to build his Balance Line Stage pre-amp
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Re: What about the thermionic line? [message #33684 is a reply to message #33680] |
Tue, 14 August 2001 12:49 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/forum/theme/AudioRoundTable/images/down.png) |
Crazy Dave
Messages: 67 Registered: May 2009
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Are you confusing price with sound quality? You should consider a few facts. Thermionic Six and Seven Pi(s) are horn loaded. Both Pi cornerhorns and Klipschorns use Eminence woofers. Wayne's method of horn loading gives him a much smoother frequency response than the Klipschorn (because the path to the driver more direct, less path length difference, etc). It is also much less expensive, uses less material and easier to construct. Have you ever seen Klipsnhorn plans? My point is not that Pi speakers must be better than Klipsch. It is that your arguments are not sufficient to dismiss Pi Speakers. Your arguments boil down to Klipsch is more expensive so it must be better. There are numerous real world contradictions to this. If you doubt me, I'll be happy to provide some (I sold audio for 7 years, including Klipsch). You're going to have to let your ears decide this one. Dave
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