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Re: FredT -MLTL Bipole speaker impressions [message #21604 is a reply to message #21603] |
Tue, 27 June 2006 07:27 |
FredT
Messages: 704 Registered: May 2009
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Of the five speaker pairs I have upstairs Jim's bipoles are the easiest to listen to. All the others are very good speakers, and each does at least one thing better than the bipoles: The one Pi's and the 3 Pi's can be driven by a 3 watt amp and will play much louder with a more powerful amp, and the Eros MKIII's and the Zaph Audio L-18's offer a bit more sparkle and air and will play louder with a high power solid state amp. The bipoles offer something that's hard to describe but is very compelling. As far as I can tell it's a combination of deep, tuneful and well-controlled bass combined with the octave-to-octave consistency that only a single driver can provide. And unlike most other single driver speakers I have heard there's absolutely no upper midrange shout or treble harshness. Another characteristic that's more difficult to describe (you have to hear it to understand) the bipole ambience. This reminds me of the dipole Magnepans I've owned in the past. Early on the treble was lacking, but a combination of different internal wiring and speaker cables, toe-in, and breakin time has virtually eliminated this problem. The bipoles do have a limitation in their absolute ability to play loudly - about as much as the 5" woofer high end mini monitors I've heard. I measured this playing a Keb Mo CD, and to my ears the music started to sound congested when the volume at the listening position (10' from the fronts of the speakers) was peaking at about 94dB (94dB is pretty damn loud!). To put it in perspective, the volume limitation isn't an issue with most music, but with some highly dynamic material, like my "Heroic Music for Organ, Brass, and Percussion" disk, I prefer the Pi speakers. I suppose the bottom line is this: As I rotate through the other speakers I always find myself returning to the bipoles after a few CD's. I would recommend these without reservation for anybody to use in a second system, and if the loudness limitation isn't an issue I would also recommend them as somebody's main (or only) speakers.
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Re: Audio Nirvana Drivers [message #21609 is a reply to message #21606] |
Tue, 27 June 2006 10:49 |
Bob Brines
Messages: 186 Registered: May 2009 Location: Hot Springs Village, AR
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I spend some time with a pair of AN6's courtesy of Fred. I put them in a pair of 25 liter BR's and compared them to Fostex FE167E's in the same box. In head-to-head comparison, the AN6's were nowhere near as clear and open as the FE167E's, and the An6's were harsh to boot. Even the build quality of the AN6's is inferior to the Fostex. Finally, I think that the cream colored cone of the Fostex just looks better in my cabinets then the ordinary black cone of the AN6. I won't be using any AN drivers in my stuff. Bob
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Re: FredT -MLTL Bipole speaker impressions [message #21611 is a reply to message #21604] |
Tue, 27 June 2006 21:05 |
Jim Griffin
Messages: 232 Registered: May 2009
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Fred, Thanks again for your obervations and acute listening. I'm glad that you like these speakers. They produce an exceptionally nice sound when used within their limits. Your comments on the power levels of 94 dB peaks at the listening position are close to my calculated output levels under these conditions. At a 10' listening distance you are down about 10 dB sound level from the usual 1 meter SPL rated specification. Remember that the sound is falling at a 6 dB per doubling of distance rate from a point source. If you run the Martin King MLTL spread sheets for 60 watts input to the speaker (30 watts per speaker), you'll find that you are at the Xmax limit of 6 mm for this driver under such conditions. Thus under these conditions, the SPL level produced by the speaker at 1 meter is 106 dB. Hence, at your the listening position you'll measure about 96 dB SPL. This is close to your 94 dB SPL figure. As you imply, most people usually listen at SPL levels in the 80 to 90 dB value even for loud sound. So anything above that level is at the 'turn that damn thing down' level. Bottom line is that these speakers will satisfy most listeners in a small to medium sized room but if you are a hard rocker who wishes for high SPLs in a large room, then these speakers may not be for you. Jim
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