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Re: Mono "flanking sub" [message #83008 is a reply to message #83007]

Thu, 14 July 2016 13:40

Wayne Parham
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I have realized over the last decade or so that it always helps to add bass sound sources, up to about four where we start to see diminishing returns. But even beyond that, there are improvements. I have also learned that placement matters most when there are fewer bass sound sources. In the midbass, we want helper woofers a.k.a flanking subs. For lower bass, we want distributed multisubs.

So there are many take-aways from this. For one thing, the idea of high-passing mains to crossover to a single sub is useful for reducing excursion on the mains, but it is counter-productive for bass smoothness. Where modal smoothing is concerned, it would be better to have the mains be more capable of good bass reproduction, and to blend the subwoofer with them. That provides several bass sound sources, from the mains and the sub(s).

That's where I see your approach. You have a single sub, but it's blended with the mains. That provides some modal smoothing. It also can probably help reduce self-interference notches from nearest boundaries, provided the summed signal matches the mains in the problem frequencies.

Self-interference and room modes are both boundary-related problems, by the way. So while they are different problems, they are related in both their general symptoms and by the suggested treatments. Not the same, but close.

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		Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sat, 24 October 2015 05:50
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 25 October 2015 15:20
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Mon, 26 October 2015 08:14
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 26 October 2015 08:44
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Mon, 26 October 2015 12:05
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Mon, 26 October 2015 15:06
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 27 October 2015 13:23
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Tue, 27 October 2015 18:14
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 29 October 2015 04:10
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Thu, 29 October 2015 11:24
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 29 October 2015 14:23
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Fri, 30 October 2015 05:10
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Fri, 30 October 2015 05:17
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 30 October 2015 16:37
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Fri, 30 October 2015 17:58
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sat, 31 October 2015 13:21
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Sat, 31 October 2015 15:37
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sun, 08 November 2015 13:52
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 09 November 2015 12:57
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Mon, 09 November 2015 14:44
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 09 November 2015 21:14
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Tue, 10 November 2015 14:06
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 10 November 2015 14:43
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Tue, 10 November 2015 15:21
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Tue, 10 November 2015 16:21
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 11 November 2015 14:16
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Wed, 11 November 2015 14:38
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Tue, 24 November 2015 11:01
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 24 November 2015 12:46
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Tue, 24 November 2015 14:01
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Wed, 25 November 2015 16:12
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 25 November 2015 18:08
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 26 November 2015 02:58
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 27 November 2015 16:23
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sat, 28 November 2015 11:29
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sun, 29 November 2015 14:41
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 30 November 2015 10:31
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Mon, 30 November 2015 12:27
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Tue, 01 December 2015 12:01
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Tue, 01 December 2015 16:05
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Tue, 01 December 2015 20:10
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Wed, 02 December 2015 02:58
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Wed, 02 December 2015 05:19
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Wed, 02 December 2015 07:07
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sat, 05 December 2015 08:27
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Sat, 05 December 2015 15:54
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sun, 06 December 2015 04:26
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 14 July 2016 03:00
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 14 July 2016 08:46
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 14 July 2016 10:50
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 14 July 2016 11:08
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 14 July 2016 12:39
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 14 July 2016 12:46
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 14 July 2016 13:01
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 14 July 2016 13:40
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 14 July 2016 14:30
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 14 July 2016 15:00
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 14 July 2016 15:32
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Fri, 15 July 2016 03:27
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 15 July 2016 08:36
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Fri, 15 July 2016 08:49
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 15 July 2016 10:25
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Fri, 15 July 2016 11:09
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 15 July 2016 13:41
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Fri, 15 July 2016 13:53
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 15 July 2016 17:16
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sat, 16 July 2016 01:37
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Sat, 16 July 2016 09:06
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sat, 16 July 2016 09:25
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Sat, 16 July 2016 11:48
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 17 July 2016 09:31
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sun, 17 July 2016 10:04
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 17 July 2016 11:16
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sun, 17 July 2016 12:05
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Sun, 17 July 2016 12:55
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 17 July 2016 15:31
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: johnnycamp5 on Sun, 17 July 2016 16:18
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Mon, 18 July 2016 07:52
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 18 July 2016 10:46
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Wed, 10 August 2016 13:25
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 10 August 2016 15:01
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 11 August 2016 08:00
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 11 August 2016 08:40
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Thu, 11 August 2016 14:54
		Re: Mono "flanking sub" By: jonone on Fri, 21 October 2016 12:52

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