You are driven my friend! I dont have the energy to paw through stats like you do. (insert cartoon) Just so you know, I'm not entirely against gun control. I just dont think the banning or total control is going to work. That why I argue against gun control. I think that obviously in the short term there will be a drop in crime if all the guns disappeared tomorrow. But something like that can no more happen than changing an entire society and the pent up anger. Too bad there isnt more relaxation. Excellent discussion. We recently covered religion and guns, Whats next week, capital punishment or abortion? I'll be on the lake tomorrow!