So, say, if I am still around, this would disprove your idea that "they" all fold under pressure?Off to work, be back later to answer the math question. I note that none of you are giving a response to the logic and reasoning of why we should ban guns but not all of the other objects which can be used constructively, but which also cause far more deaths than guns do. Baseball bats and cars can be used as murder weapons, impliments of suicide, or to cause unintentional injury. Did'ja have an answer for that, Bucko?