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Re: Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) [message #56321 is a reply to message #56320]

Tue, 24 May 2005 17:51

Manualblock
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Mr. Vinyll guy; sorry I didn't mean to cut my response short, I hit the post button accidently. I don't want you to think I don't take your post seriously because I do take it seriously.
The problem with the debates that revolve around this current administration is the sides are so polarised that they lose sight of the real issues and try to reduce them to a succession of chains of what each side calls "Facts".
It starts by both parties rushing to their respective websites and gathering their forces of facts. Lining them up to do battle. But facts are elusive things; they depend on all of the circumstances that surround the issue including past and present conditions. When one side or the other pontificates they of course use the facts that support their side and conveniently isolate each set of conditions to fit their facts.
So consequently it becomes a Fact Attack without any adjustments for the prevailing environment that produced these facts.
What I'm trying to say is, just like there is a reference standard in audio; there is a right and wrong in politics. When these positions are reduced to facts they lose the ultimate sense of responsibility that comes with having a personal philosophy and taking a position.
In this situation the Senate has for ever recognised that the position of the majority is tentative and the winds blow both ways. That is why we comprimise and do not let the majority lord it over the minority.
That sense is missing here. Clinton lost many more appointments due to backdoor negotiations and compromise; and thats the way it should be. This Frist explaining to the people that he will take no prisoners and will have his way is contradictory to the spirit of our govt.
No fact can alter or correct that point of view. So when a real man like John M'Cain steps up to the plate and says enough, that is how our govt should work. It's called leadership and only a man would know how to accomplish that. That is the child reference. Even if he had the personal prescence to throw his weight around, he should have had the same to be gracious towards the minority party in public. Boasting and bragging is childlike.
Thats why it was great to see M'Cain step in and settle this. A real american who served his country and speaks low but carries a big stick.

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		Senate By: Manualblock on Tue, 24 May 2005 05:41
		As much as I hate to do this.... By: Mr Vinyl on Tue, 24 May 2005 10:40
		Re: As much as I hate to do this.... By: Manualblock on Tue, 24 May 2005 14:51
		Re: As much as I hate to do this.... By: Mr Vinyl on Tue, 24 May 2005 15:04
		Re: As much as I hate to do this.... By: Manualblock on Tue, 24 May 2005 16:10
		Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) By: Mr Vinyl on Tue, 24 May 2005 16:31
		Re: Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) By: Manualblock on Tue, 24 May 2005 17:51
		Re: Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) By: Mr Vinyl on Tue, 24 May 2005 20:39
		Re: Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) By: Manualblock on Wed, 25 May 2005 05:20
		Re: Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) By: Manualblock on Wed, 25 May 2005 06:41
		Re: Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) By: Mr Vinyl on Wed, 25 May 2005 07:49
		Re: Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) By: Manualblock on Wed, 25 May 2005 09:17
		Re: Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) By: Mr Vinyl on Wed, 25 May 2005 09:48
		Re: Well, then I guess we think more alike than I thought. (NT) By: Manualblock on Wed, 25 May 2005 11:49
		I see we are back to polls again... By: Mr Vinyl on Wed, 25 May 2005 13:03
		Re: I see we are back to polls again... By: Manualblock on Wed, 25 May 2005 13:55
		Ok let's try Gallop... By: Mr Vinyl on Wed, 25 May 2005 14:43
		Re: Ok let's try Gallop... By: Manualblock on Wed, 25 May 2005 15:21
		As Bill O'Reilly is found of saying "I'll give you the last word" (NT) By: Mr Vinyl on Wed, 25 May 2005 16:09
		Re: As Bill O'Reilly is found of saying "I'll give you the last word" (NT) By: Manualblock on Wed, 25 May 2005 16:25
		Re: As Bill O'Reilly is found of saying "I'll give you the last word" (NT) By: Manualblock on Wed, 25 May 2005 16:36
		Well, see, that's what you get for watching Fox all the time By: wunhuanglo on Tue, 24 May 2005 18:54
		Re: Well, see, that's what you get for watching Fox all the time By: Manualblock on Tue, 24 May 2005 19:07
		None of Clinton's judge nominations were filibustered... By: Mr Vinyl on Wed, 25 May 2005 07:18

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