I am saying that you are just posting numbers without any links or cut and pastes from the site. In other words I could say "look Manual is wrong, If found on IRS.gov that Democrats don't pay any taxes at all" Now if I don't link or cut and paste where I got this info from then it's unsubstantiated. You claimed that the richest in the country pay only 5%-8% in income tax because of shelters etc. Also while we are on the subject, just because something isn't taxed now doesn't mean it will not be taxed in the future such as 401K's etc. So I guess you will have to show that they never pay taxes on the money as well.