... that by the time you cut the welds or remove the end bell of the 511/811 - you windup with the emilar horn. So, for anyone curious what that "sound" is like, it would be far easier to get a pair of the emilar horns and try them on for size. Rather that going thru the PITA mods to the 811/511 horns. A picture is worth a thousand words - right. What easier way to show what you would wind up with when radically modding the altec horn. That's the only thing I was trying to convey Sam ::mikeo::