I do not doubt for a minute that my smaller Tuba 30 slim, at 24" wide, and about the same mouth area as those Tuba 36 slims, 20" wide, but loaded with Definimax 4012's would put those Tuba 36's to shame. Now when Bill W gets those reloaded with proper drivers, as I hear he plans to, that should change things quite a bit Bill W, Go get those new drivers, it'll put a big smile on your face

Now don't mis understand my boosting...LOL.. I wouldn't have expected the T36 20" wide to steal the show by any stretch, but I believe they would have had a better showing, particularly in the low frequency range.

If you ever have a shootout in Utah or South Eastern Idaho, let me know...hehe. I'd love to go to one of these things, but being the poor guy I am, my wife would strangle me if I tried to budget out a long trip like that just to check out some subwoofers...LOL.

Wayne, those 12Pi subs of yours look pretty awesome!