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Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing [message #18399 is a reply to message #18397]

Thu, 12 January 2006 08:35

hurdy_gurdyman
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It seems like the history of most modern musical instruments has been to make them louder. I have examples of different historical instruments (origional and/or replicas) of the instruments I play, including fiddle (violin to you educated folks), banjo, mandolin, guitar and bagpipes. Over the last couple of centuries they have all gotten louder. Each new innovation has been to make the instrument louder so it can be heard better in an orchestra (even a four piece one). Unfortunately, all the other instruments are doing the same evolution. The drawback (sacrifice?) of all this is that the instruments get brighter and harsher sounding. An example would be the banjo (all banjo jokes aside). It started out with a gourd for a body and a fretless neck. This gave a nice mellow and thumpy sound. After a while someone replaced the gourd with a round wooden cheese box because it was sturdier and would take a beating better. It was noticed it became louder as well. Within a 100 year period all kinds of metal stuff was added, as well as harder wood, because each innovation made the instrument louder. It also made the instrument brighter and more metalic sounding. Frets were added, which added more brightness. Listen to a 1920's Gibson Mastertone like most Bluegrass banjos are patterned after, then listen to a 1850's minstrel banjo, then listen to an origional type gourd banjo (banjar). They don't even sound like the same class of instument. The modern one is almost unpleasant to listen to intimately.
This seems to be similar to the evolution of the other instruments I'm very familiar with. I prefer the old styles for shear listening pleasure, just like I still enjoy tube amps and speakers that don't burn my ears off with etched detail.

Sorry about the rant, but it's one of my pet peeves with music today and this seemed like a good place to vent.

Dave

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		Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: akhilesh on Sun, 01 January 2006 22:37
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: hurdy_gurdyman on Mon, 02 January 2006 08:22
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: akhilesh on Mon, 02 January 2006 11:09
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: Manualblock on Tue, 03 January 2006 17:22
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: akhilesh on Fri, 06 January 2006 11:06
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: Manualblock on Fri, 06 January 2006 12:12
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: Bob Brines on Fri, 06 January 2006 14:55
		Tube amps versus SOLID state By: akhilesh on Sat, 07 January 2006 10:55
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: Manualblock on Sat, 07 January 2006 11:59
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: akhilesh on Mon, 09 January 2006 10:37
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: Manualblock on Mon, 09 January 2006 13:57
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: akhilesh on Mon, 09 January 2006 14:44
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: GarMan on Mon, 09 January 2006 14:51
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: Manualblock on Mon, 09 January 2006 17:24
		Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: akhilesh on Tue, 10 January 2006 11:05
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Manualblock on Tue, 10 January 2006 13:02
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: akhilesh on Wed, 11 January 2006 11:07
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Manualblock on Wed, 11 January 2006 12:10
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: akhilesh on Wed, 11 January 2006 15:35
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Bob Brines on Wed, 11 January 2006 16:05
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Manualblock on Wed, 11 January 2006 19:30
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Bob Brines on Thu, 12 January 2006 07:47
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 08:35
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 08:42
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Manualblock on Thu, 12 January 2006 09:41
		More on old instruments By: Bob Brines on Thu, 12 January 2006 09:13
		Re: More on old instruments By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 11:06
		Re: More on old instruments By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 12:25
		Re: More on old instruments By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 17:31
		History of musical scales By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 13 January 2006 09:25
		Re: More on old instruments By: Bob Brines on Thu, 12 January 2006 20:55
		"Something like plywood cabinets" By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 13 January 2006 09:11
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 08:10
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 08:39
		Cool link Wayne, and esp one para By: akhilesh on Thu, 12 January 2006 10:37
		Re: Cool link Wayne, and esp one para By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 10:49
		Parameter shifts By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 12:21
		I agree By: akhilesh on Thu, 12 January 2006 14:48
		Re: I agree By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 21:29
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: akhilesh on Thu, 12 January 2006 10:40

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