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Re: Still a bit of a generalization, but... [message #10974 is a reply to message #10972]

Mon, 14 February 2005 16:10

Wayne Parham
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I agree with that too. Push-pull designs have more parts, so if all of them are expensive then that will be double the cost of a SET amp using the same parts. You've got a pair of output tubes and a splitter, more stuff. But some of the parts in a push-pull amp can be made smaller for the same power level as a comparible SET amplifier. Single-ended tube amps need bigger tubes and output transformers to get the same power.

I am confident that if you remove budget constraints, you can make any of the popular topologies sound good. But if you make price/performance the goal, I think SET starts losing ground.

That may be why the budget models are probably better off push-pull. Whatever the case, the low end SET stuff just doesn't appeal to me. More expensive SET amps sure do though.

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		Pull pin... By: PakProtector on Mon, 14 February 2005 04:50
		Re: Pull pin... By: Manualblock on Mon, 14 February 2005 06:19
		nope... By: PakProtector on Mon, 14 February 2005 08:14
		Re: nope... By: Manualblock on Mon, 14 February 2005 09:34
		Re: nope... By: TC on Mon, 14 February 2005 10:24
		Re: nope... By: Manualblock on Mon, 14 February 2005 13:15
		sometimes.... By: PakProtector on Mon, 14 February 2005 14:33
		Re: sometimes.... By: Manualblock on Mon, 14 February 2005 18:07
		that's a good one... By: PakProtector on Mon, 14 February 2005 19:19
		Reference music? By: colinhester on Mon, 14 February 2005 20:36
		Re: Reference music? By: PakProtector on Mon, 14 February 2005 20:58
		Re: that's a good one... By: Manualblock on Tue, 15 February 2005 06:23
		Thoriated W By: PakProtector on Tue, 15 February 2005 06:49
		Re: Thoriated W By: Manualblock on Tue, 15 February 2005 10:11
		Re: Thoriated W By: PakProtector on Tue, 15 February 2005 12:35
		Re: Thoriated W By: Manualblock on Tue, 15 February 2005 15:46
		Re: Pull pin... By: akhilesh on Mon, 14 February 2005 09:17
		Re: Pull pin... By: TC on Mon, 14 February 2005 10:08
		Re: Pull pin... By: akhilesh on Mon, 14 February 2005 12:48
		Re: Pull pin... By: TC on Mon, 14 February 2005 13:42
		Re: Pull pin... By: akhilesh on Mon, 14 February 2005 13:50
		Re: Pull pin... By: Manualblock on Mon, 14 February 2005 14:24
		Re: Pull pin... By: akhilesh on Tue, 15 February 2005 07:34
		Re: Pull pin... By: Manualblock on Tue, 15 February 2005 18:25
		Changes in Output Z By: Steve on Sat, 18 June 2005 09:42
		No, absolutely not! By: PakProtector on Mon, 14 February 2005 14:40
		Re: No, absolutely not! By: TC on Mon, 14 February 2005 15:32
		Check this out By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 14 February 2005 17:46
		Still a bit of a generalization, but... By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 14 February 2005 14:01
		Re: Still a bit of a generalization, but... By: Damir on Mon, 14 February 2005 15:18
		Re: Still a bit of a generalization, but... By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 14 February 2005 16:10
		Re: Still a bit of a generalization, but... By: Manualblock on Mon, 14 February 2005 17:59
		"Budget" SET By: Damir on Tue, 15 February 2005 12:44
		Re: "Budget" SET By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 15 February 2005 15:25
		"Budget" SET=Milatary Intelligence By: PakProtector on Tue, 15 February 2005 18:01
		Re: "Budget" SET=Military Intelligence By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 15 February 2005 22:03
		Re: Still a bit of a generalization, but... By: John Chleapas on Mon, 14 February 2005 23:22
		Re: Still a bit of a generalization, but... By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 14 February 2005 23:42
		Re: Pull pin... By: DRCope on Mon, 21 February 2005 13:44
		Re: Pull pin... By: akhilesh on Mon, 21 February 2005 15:03
		Is Fat a compliment, etc . . . . By: DRCope on Wed, 23 February 2005 17:51
		Also By: akhilesh on Mon, 21 February 2005 15:17
		Re: Also By: DRCope on Wed, 23 February 2005 17:55
		Re: Also By: akhilesh on Thu, 24 February 2005 10:13
		Re: Also By: DRCope on Thu, 24 February 2005 14:42
		con permisso By: PakProtector on Fri, 25 February 2005 05:47
		Re: con permisso By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 25 February 2005 09:23
		Re: Also By: akhilesh on Fri, 25 February 2005 08:18
		Re: Also By: DRCope on Fri, 25 February 2005 09:20
		Re: Also By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 25 February 2005 09:28
		Re: Also By: DRCope on Fri, 25 February 2005 10:33
		Re: Also By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 25 February 2005 11:21
		Re: Also By: DRCope on Fri, 25 February 2005 11:57
		Re: Also By: akhilesh on Fri, 25 February 2005 12:26
		Re: Also By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 25 February 2005 09:14
		Re: Also By: DRCope on Fri, 25 February 2005 10:44
		Re: Also By: Steve on Sun, 15 May 2005 12:25
		Hence the discussion... By: PakProtector on Tue, 22 February 2005 15:18
		Re: Pull pin... By: Steve on Tue, 17 May 2005 10:48
		Here is a good link by a SET amp builder, scroll to the bottom By: akhilesh on Thu, 24 February 2005 13:05
		A topology too far....... By: TC on Mon, 14 February 2005 11:54
		Good question By: colinhester on Mon, 14 February 2005 15:10
		Re: Good question By: Manualblock on Mon, 14 February 2005 17:58
		Re: Push/Pull pin... By: ChrisL on Wed, 16 February 2005 09:26
		expansions By: PakProtector on Wed, 16 February 2005 10:09
		Re: expansions By: ChrisL on Wed, 16 February 2005 12:44
		Nice! By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 16 February 2005 18:45
		Re: Push/Pull pin... By: akhilesh on Thu, 17 February 2005 08:57
		Re: Pull pin... By: Matts_ on Mon, 08 August 2005 22:44
		now just wait a sec.... By: Thrint on Tue, 09 August 2005 10:01
		Re: now just wait a sec.... By: Matts_ on Tue, 09 August 2005 19:21

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