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Re: Empire [message #98735 is a reply to message #98734]

Sat, 28 June 2025 07:54

Rusty
Messages: 1387
Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

Russia's war on Ukraine is an egomaniac's attempt to steal the state. Putin is a horrible leader for Russia, having turned the whole world against him. He is an irresponsible aggressor, and I think the only reason nations are slow to act against him is a genuine and reasonable concern about Russian nuclear stockpiles. Otherwise, I think Moscow would be bombed into dust, and rightly so.

It's all just too easy to see. Nothing difficult about it. No need to read between the lines. Putin invaded Ukraine because he wanted to steal the nation and call it his own. No motive other than that. None needed. Putin's motive is pure and simple. He wants Ukraine. Nobody "pushed" him into it. He is the one that has always been the pusher.

Its when you say these kind of statements Wayne that I tend to think your objectivity is approaching naivety. They're statements of passion but little substance. Sure its true and granted that public sentiment to the war in Ukraine and Putin in general follow a western narrative that's dominantly employed by our governments long standing propaganda. Its been a part of our cultural upbringing.

You mention always not understanding why our nation has never tried to promote good relations with Russia or Ukraine. Obfuscating our nation's committed policy of breaking up the nation of Russia. Dismissing policy papers detailing methods of the application of financial, and military subversion towards that aim.

You know. Slavery used to be an established norm in our country. The framers of our constitution employed the use of slaves. But there was a moral stigma that a few in our society wrote about and spoke about that was the minority. It took a century for that policy of dysfunction to be challenged to the point of civil war. And a century and more of Jim Crow and segregation and intolerance to try and right what was morally wrong from the get go.

So being in the minority addressing what is essentially one nation, the United States, bullying the world out of its institutionalized idealism of maintaining its position of dominance and privilege has no place in this world any longer. Its understood that things change slowly and are fraught with setbacks.

This struggle with the goings on in Ukraine, the Middle East and the impending showdown with China as is written and bloviated in media is all part of that. Its described as the desperation and manipulations of the American empire fizzling out under its own weight of our losing control of what we never had a right to control anyway.

That the world can operate without one nation imposing its will through financial sanctioning and military adventurism. That having 7 to 8 hundred military installations throughout the world is perverse and wasting its own society's potential to thrive. That imperialism and colonizing for the sake of a financial free lunch is intolerable.

Time will tell.

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Re: Empire [message #98736 is a reply to message #98735]

Sat, 28 June 2025 09:27

Wayne Parham
Messages: 18941
Registered: January 2001

Illuminati (33rd Degree)

Dude, Rusty! You're a smart guy! So how in the world do you not get this?!!

Don't listen to anyone else right now. Just look at the facts, without anyone else's opinions - including mine - and especially without having the nonsense spouted by pro-Putin (or anti-West) bloggers in your head. Just look at the facts:

1. Ukraine is an independent sovereign nation and has been since 1991.

2. It has (actually had) good relationships with both Russia and Western nations in Europe and the U.S.A. Still does have good relations with most of the world but most (probably should say all) Ukrainians now hate their former brothers in Russia. That's a big deal - and a huge mistake on Putin's part - because while the Ukrainian people want independence from Russia, until Putin bombed the hell out of them, they felt a great kinship with Russia. They now feel betrayed by their former countrymen and absolutely hate them. That's actually a side-point, albeit an important one. The main point is that Ukraine had good relations with Russia and the West. It is solely and completely Putin's fault that the Russian relationship is now poisoned.

3. Ukraine has its own freely elected government, which tended to swing left and right, just like ours. But by "left and right" here, I mean pro-Russian or pro-Western.

4. We can assume there was meddling from outside nations. I say "assume" here 'cause both you and I would say we "knew" there was meddling, and we would probably tend to blame one side or the other more. So let's just say we "assume" there was meddling.

5. Now here's the big one: Putin sent in troops. Russia is killing people in Ukraine. They are bombing the hell out of cities, and they are hitting population centers, homes, businesses and energy producers.

6. And to add to that, Putin claims that he has the right to take all of Ukraine. The world could see that he felt that way by his actions. But he actually admitted it, declaring that at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum last week.

That says everything. So I reiterate:

Russia's war on Ukraine is an egomaniac's attempt to steal the state. Putin is a horrible leader for Russia, having turned the whole world against him. He is an irresponsible aggressor, and I think the only reason nations are slow to act against him is a genuine and reasonable concern about Russian nuclear stockpiles. Otherwise, I think Moscow would be bombed into dust, and rightly so.

It's all just too easy to see. Nothing difficult about it. No need to read between the lines. Putin invaded Ukraine because he wanted to steal the nation and call it his own. No motive other than that. None needed. Putin's motive is pure and simple. He wants Ukraine. Nobody "pushed" him into it. He is the one that has always been the pusher.

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Re: Empire [message #98741 is a reply to message #98736]

Mon, 30 June 2025 11:33

Rusty
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Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

All you are stating Wayne are superficial facts to the reasons for the state of Ukraine is in now. You have to approach Ukraine, the Middle East and China from a Statecraft level. They are ALL interrelated towards how our government conducts its Statecraft into the world. With the help of our allies that are like vassals to our government and its dealings in the world.

You my friend would be well served to broaden your own scope of understanding. And there are people in this world with far more knowledge of how our government works here in the US and in Russia. You can't fathom how Ukraine was used in this terrible mess. The Maidan overthrow in 2014. The civil war in the eastern Donbas region. All contributing to the eventual special military operation.

We are doing this same crap with Iran. The pretext is their nuclear program. It has nothing to do with that. It is their self determination along with China, Russia and most of the BRICS country's desire to counter American hegemony with the dollar.

Our history is long fraught with this kind of subversion throughout the world. Its real and quantifiable.
But your belief's are your own. Not mine. Granted most Americans are hornswoggled by our worthless media and a government that projects false doctrine. I follow what makes sense out of the senselessness that our country is perpetrating. At home and abroad.

Sorry we can't see eye to eye on this. I do love your loudspeakers and trust your technical knowledge. But I just think you're out of your element with this stuff.

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Re: Empire [message #98742 is a reply to message #98741]

Mon, 30 June 2025 13:08

Wayne Parham
Messages: 18941
Registered: January 2001

Illuminati (33rd Degree)

Most of the world considers Putin to be the aggressor.

The bloggers and journalists that promote an alternate position have to twist reality to do so. It's just so plain to see.

When Putin started bombing, he showed exactly who and what he is. When he says "Ukraine is mine," he shows who he is.

The subject of this thread is "Empire" and most of what has been written here is about unfair and nefarious empire builders. Putin's Russia is the biggest example of that.

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Re: Empire [message #98743 is a reply to message #98742]

Tue, 01 July 2025 12:07

Rusty
Messages: 1387
Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

https://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/karsten-winegeart-UcvniPaMR_A-unsplash-1536x1026.jpg

The War Beneath the War.
Our country spends a huge amount of effort in trying to maintain its dominance. At the expense of the public's wellbeing. Grotesquely now successfully passed in the Senate to push through a bill now to sustain billionaires keeping their tax advantage. While rising the deficit and pushing people at the lowest margins of life and health off of Medicaid. Freeloaders right?

Our latest project is Iran while we keep Ukraine simmering on the back burner. Our officials have stated emphatically that China though is our true ENEMY. China, which has not intervened with any country since the Indo Vietnam war that lasted a whole month back in the 70's.

Our country is obsessed with its perception of being the worlds dominant nation. It has to do with our dollars trade advantage that recycles them back into our country in the form of bonds and T-bills. It has been shown that this has helped PAY for our military industrial complex and our war mongering. Its being threatened by the BRICS alliance which we are ardently trying to break apart. Our corporate military manufacturers, our banking and our rich bond holders are part of the International Monetary Fund & World Bank depend on their free lunch from this arrangement. They influence our political process with their hold on campaign finance.

Michael Hudson teased all this out back in the 1970's with his book Super Imperialism. Its been used perversely as a template since going off the gold standard back then as a means to "finance" our military and financial domination.

This is an interview with Michael by Ben Norton on his blog The Geopolitical Economy Report discussing current events in the world and how they're linked to our subversive attempts to circumvent sovereign nations to create alternatives to the United States and its allies financial and military hold counter to PEACEFUL existence.

https://michael-hudson.com/2025/07/the-war-beneath-the-war/

Maybe try to read and learn some how this world really works.

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