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Re: Empire [message #98596 is a reply to message #98570]

Wed, 21 May 2025 10:29

Rusty
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Come and see:

https://sonar21.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/01-Komm-und-sieh.jpeg

From the movie, Come and See. This article is about how the German political climate is all aboard with the NATO madness in Europe now to build up the military in the absence of the US having pivoted towards the China NATO madness. The author points out what the Nazi's did in the USSR during WWII was even a greater mass extermination of humanity than what all the extermination camps for the Jews were. That their atonement can never be truly reached ever. So the hypocrisy of the German government now along with the European NATO commitment is a shame to the memories of the past and a sham to the principals of the present. When the USSR dissolved in 1991 the build up of NATO commenced even more pulling countries into its fold. By design. The Russian military then was at its lowest level than ever.

There was never a threat to Europe from Russia. NATO was formed in 1949 while the Warsaw Pact was formed in 1955. Russia perpetually answering to the aggression of the west. The end of WWII was the beginning of the Cold War. A calculated effort mainly by the US to bolster our perpetual war machine economy. The Communist Soviets who were allied during the war and bore the brunt of destruction and death but tore the gut from the Nazi war machine became the pariah and threat to the western capitalist deep state after the war. Propaganda always needs a threat to sway public sentiment.

The United States and Europe have perpetuated this since then. Managing to protect the Nazi war criminals for the most part from justice and even utilizing them to a great extent by the US for the ones with technical prowess such as war criminal Dr. Wernher Von Braun for our aerospace program and others. Operation Paper Clip.

The Russian movie Come and See is regarded as one of, if not the most powerful depictions of war and its effect on people ever filmed. Little known about it here in the west. A gut wrencher.
https://sonar21.com/germany-major-criminals-should-keep-quiet/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHaSQU-4wss&t=3s

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Re: Empire [message #98598 is a reply to message #98596]

Wed, 21 May 2025 11:06

Wayne Parham
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Things are very different now. Not that the Russian government was great in the WWII years, but it is definitely a bad actor now.

I think your focus is on NATO "empire building" but don't forget that Russia and China are empire-builders too. Any critical assessment of the ills of men shouldn't stop with NATO.

And also remember that Ukraine was part of the USSR in WWII and most of the Soviet lives lost in that war were actually Ukrainians.

So when having empathy for the people over there - as we should - understand that the biggest harm is being done to the people of Ukraine. Was in WWII and is again now.

Бабий Яр

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Re: Empire [message #98601 is a reply to message #98598]

Thu, 22 May 2025 13:47

Rusty
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Of course Ukraine suffered as being part of the USSR then. And there's no animosity from that.
What China and Russia now are doing economically is not empire building in the sense of being a unipolar hegemonic force in the world as what the United States has done since that terrible conflict. They are only doing what any nation state does in their own peoples interest for self determination. They both suffered great loss and destruction from WWII. Now China mainly but Russia by alignment with them and the other coalition of countries forming the BRICS are pushing the envelope of their ability to flourish for their peoples.

They've aligned as I've stated time and again to counter our country's unfair practices with our currency and meddling. They have no ambitions towards being as our country did by becoming the worlds dominant player in everyone's affairs.

The article spells out just that in what is going on in Europe now. And particularly Germany that committed those atrocities then. Which now is an affront to the memory of what they did then by posturing what they believe now in this arrogant geopolitical bad theater production. Which of course is all orchestrated from within our own empire mentality government structure.

The protagonist here is the United States. As it has been since post WWII. That's the focus of this thread.

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Re: Empire [message #98622 is a reply to message #98601]

Sat, 24 May 2025 08:59

Rusty
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You have to have some historical underpinnings to understand the present time. Our country and Great Britain whom we are primarily derived from in our cultural and capitalist ties, have been opposed to the notion of Communism and Socialism since the Russian revolution.

After WWII the Soviet Union, our ally and a Communist oriented nation that gave more than any other nation in the effort to rid Nazi fascism was summarily and perversely made into a foe. The United States with Great Britain that we subordinated along with the rest of Europe and essentially the world then from our new found aspirations of arbiter of world affairs. The United States unscathed from the war, rich with abundance and calling the shots.

There was though an overhang from war production and a recession creeped in in 1947. The principal war industries and particularly the aerospace industries were in a downturn. With the help of the deep state overworld corporate wealth and the authority of the security pillar of the defense department, the legislative and executive end of the government became as one with forming the CIA agency, International Monetary Fund and other security and financial aligned agencies to prevail in world dominance.

The need was a scapegoat to arouse public fear of a potential threat to our society. That became the origins of the cold war with the Soviet Union mainly and China superficially. More so when they developed their own nuclear capability. It was the threat of Communism towards Capitalism. Evil authoritarianism vs benevolent democratic freedom.

NATO was formed in 1949 as a deterrent in Europe from the planned perception of the Communist USSR being a threat. It coincided with the build up of the military complex in the United States. An answer to the floundering defense industries of the post war.
The USSR didn't respond to this until 1955 with the Warsaw Pact. They had been after all a country devastated by the world war. Having lost millions and millions of people in their effort for freedom from the tyranny of fascism.

The economic sympathies towards Communism and Socialism that was prevalent in the US in the depression years and helped spur the Roosevelt government towards progressive socialism with the formation of Social Security and government subsidization in the industrial sectors was by the 1950's being dismantled by the forces of the deep state. McCarthyism was the neoconservative way of demonizing the prewar Communist, Socialist sympathies out of existence.

The now perpetual war machine economy of the military complex was entrenched. The Korean war was the beginning of our military adventurism to come. Fighting Communism with the virtue of Democratic Capitalism.

The deep state structure within our government has gradually grown more powerful and authoritarian over the decades. And our economic structure has followed suit becoming more financialized by design. Allowing our non war industry to wither and die domestically following the path of globalization to bolster the financial profitability of the growing wealthy end of our society. The military complex was utilized towards the blunt end of our security pillar of the deep state along with the financial overworld pillar to keep our world dollar hegemony to our advantage.

Eventually our ability to make war with our military service has become a strain for the public to accept. So a proxy method has served our security end by suppling forces with our military material to do our bidding in our strategic meddling. Our military budget though has mushroomed over the decades to be a drain on our already vast national debt. Mainly from our trade imbalances.

We're at a compromising point now economically that is influencing the authoritarian part of the deep state to be reflected in our political end more than ever. Our advantages internationally have also been compromised by overextending our financial restraints on countries we tried to control through sanctioning and now through tariffs.

Our deep state is showing its negative effects in the world that has coalized by responding with a firm ability to counter our dominance as it has never had the ability before. Its high time. I hope they prevail. We need a revolution in this country to end this negativity. I hope its bloodless. The deep state has shed enough of that over the years, mainly abroad. Lets hope it doesn't turn inward on ourselves.

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Re: Empire [message #98628 is a reply to message #98622]

Mon, 26 May 2025 10:13

Rusty
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Our deep state and its influence into policy with the political branch is woven tightly in our notion of democracy. The CIA is a subversive untethered organization that carries out clandestine and illegal activities which the legislative and executive branches have little control or even knowledge of.
The military complex along with the corporate end of it have a large influence with the political matrix to maintain our war mongering in the world. Its profitable.

The current Ukrainian Russian negotiations are hung up with the narrative of having a cease-fire. To which Ukraine could be bolstered with more weapons to carry on this delusional and debilitating proxy war. Meanwhile NATO Europe is being encouraged to buy American arms to build up their militaries. While the US pivots to our other delusional need to antagonize and threaten China with war. With Taiwan being the focal unprincipled reason just as Ukraine is for expanding NATO up to Russia's back door.

This is the imperial empire ideology that permeates our government that allows for the Israeli government to behave similarly in the Mideast. Our proxy military society there that we allow Carte Blanc to administer whatever barbarity upon their indigenous Arab population that suits the notions of some twisted biblical ordained prophecy.

So our current administration just as all preceding administrations of either party is bound to adhere to the deep state unprincipled in virtue notions of the imperial empire world order. Historians and political scientists have been writing of this phenomena since its origins post WWII.

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Re: Empire [message #98631 is a reply to message #98628]

Tue, 27 May 2025 11:35

Rusty
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Un huh, un huh. Here we have the German Chancellor mentioning lifting restrictions on long range weapons for continuation of the Ukraine war with Russia. But its nothing new as the article in The Moon of Alabama points out. But it shows where Europe is as being a vassal to the United States to the war mongering, war machine economy that we've perpetuated for decades and decades. Its profitable! And its about the only industry left that is insinuated as being vital to the world order security that our deep state requires.

It would appear that the planners of policy have decided to try and keep the pressure on Russia through attrition as the Russians are doing with Ukraine's faltering military. Wearing them down towards capitulation till collapse. There is a limit to what manpower Ukraine has left that they have to throw against the Russian superior forces.

While America pivots to the South China Sea to set up Eastern NATO with Taiwan as the focal point for conflict. Europe can purchase our weapons to carry on the supply to Ukraine's war weary and draw out this unnecessary conflict still to the last Ukrainian. They were nothing but pawns anyway with our deep state planners.

Proxy wars, genocide enabling, regime change, assassinations, sanctioning and now tariff extortion added to the list.

This is our purpose in the world it seems. An egregious amalgamation of devious manipulation without any virtue but perpetuating finance capitalism at any cost. A very sad example of governance.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/05/recycling-old-news-media-push-for-more-war-in-ukraine.html#more

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Re: Empire [message #98632 is a reply to message #98631]

Tue, 27 May 2025 16:13

Wayne Parham
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The evil-empire builder here is Putin. He has poisoned his country and is hoping to poison Ukraine. He is attempting to steal from Ukraine the independence they achieved in 1991 and which they are desperately fighting to maintain.

Putin actually believes it is best for him to rape Ukraine, to take that country over by force, to make it a Russian state and to impose his will and his laws there.

There is no NATO empire-building there. I wish there had been. It was a huge miss to have not embraced Ukraine years ago. That's the real problem - not the meddling of NATO but rather the absence of it. We were too late, and we let Russian become emboldened.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51LhbGJBMGL._SY445_SX342_PQ91_.jpg

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Re: Empire [message #98634 is a reply to message #98632]

Wed, 28 May 2025 08:29

Rusty
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Heidi is more suited for stylish writing in the New Yorker than serious academic research presentation. From her book review on NPR:

Quote:

Blake's book appears to be largely based on accounts provided by people who found themselves within Berezovsky's gravitational field at various points in time, as well as on intelligence sources in Britain and the U.S.

Sadly, these sources bring their own individual spin and narratives that warrant a much greater deal of scepticism — especially since the author herself pictures Berezovsky's circle as a bunch of extremely dodgy characters or outright crooks. In the words of a British judge, cited in the book, Berezovsky is "an unimpressive, and inherently unreliable, witness, who regarded truth as a transitory, flexible concept, which could be molded to suit his current purposes." So are his associates.

Quote:

The author's personal lack of expertise in post-Soviet matters shows in a bombastic analysis of recent ex-Soviet history. She proposes, for example, that Berezovsky staged the Orange Revolution in Ukraine and that a U.S.-backed Georgian government may have wanted to murder an oligarch in Britain.

Anyway, the bones and skeletons abound in the closet of the CIA telling a tale of grand sweeping dirty deeds. Including the flawed Warren report concluding conspiracy of assassination most likely of a sitting president of this country. Including his brother who wanted to investigate Kennedy's assassination if he attained the presidency himself.

We ought to look inward at our own deep state of deception and lies that our very government foists upon us. But the cheap narrative of those "foreign" characters is just too easy to lead us on.

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Re: Empire [message #98635 is a reply to message #98634]

Wed, 28 May 2025 13:29

Wayne Parham
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Experts that assert Putin is evil

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Re: Empire [message #98636 is a reply to message #98635]

Wed, 28 May 2025 15:09

Rusty
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This expertise listed for the evil Mr. Putin is only the western think-speak Orwellian journalism that is influenced by our deep state construct.

A good example of this contradiction is the current article by The Moon of Alabama concerning the Patriot missile system being used in Ukraine. Which is ineffective and costly and has been such since its inception. But as the article points out, our press contradicts itself in covering its use in the world since 1992 in Iraq. Its either a boondoggle or a godsend to the might of our most expensive military in the world by a multitude of percentage of countries heaped together to our expenditure. Which the Trump administration now wants to spend even greater than one trillion a year on now. With yet a "Golden Dome" maybe as a tribute to his cotton candy hairdo color to waste treasure on. Yet be a boon to the greedy defense industry.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/05/us-supplied-air-defences-fail-in-ukraine.html#more

We are an empire on the skids my friend. Our economy shows it, our politics and society shows it. And our behavior in the world is most definitely showing a frenzied flailing about of incoherent thought. How long this can be kept up no ones knows. But its sickening to realize how unproductive and uncivilized it all is. When so much needs to be done for human development instead of inciting wars and throwing so much money into the black hole of defense spending rather than productive use that isn't realized.

I don't expect to change your beliefs and I'm not trying to. I'm just writing about what I am learning as I go along.

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