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Re: Empire [message #98504 is a reply to message #98503]

Tue, 29 April 2025 10:56

Rusty
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Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

Your interpretation just by what you "see" and the people whom you know there forms a bias to the part of what I think is a narrow, blinders-on approach I'm trying to describe. That there is an advance directive to what has transpired in that region which has contributed enormously to what has occurred! And there's plenty of evidence to show that. I've tried to include it in this series. Your scapegoat is Putin! The Novi-Russki's! I haven't read any real documentation from your claim. Just, take your word for it. You've seen it, you've been there.

Nothing in the big picture of domestic and international relations is just blatant happenstance. There is always an underlying aggravation or scheme to eventually make things occur. You can liken it to a pre-cancer as an analogy.

You can say most other nations can see this tragedy in your good vs bad view. But I'd wager that it mainly follows within the G7 nations and not from the viewpoint of a greater number of nations and population of the world that are clamoring to join the BRICS alliance that want to be out from under our nation's dominating influence.

And you never say anything about this alliance. As maybe you don't follow this critical framework to what is changing in the world. But its a critical part of why our country is experiencing as well as all the G7 countries an economic downturn directly related to the economic doctrine that isn't functioning well for the people of the collective G7. And our exploitive behavior, that now from this new administration is exposing blatantly our true nature of international exploitation. Extortion!

So I'm saying all along this conflict is attributable to what has been the United States policy planners conniving over a great long time. That it is a continuation of other historical precedents that forms a pattern of behavior from this ideology. Just like what has happened with our economy. If one cares to follow the contradictions and patterns, one finds that the inevitable conclusion is that our country bears a great deal of responsibility for this conflict to have occurred. You can see that in the conditions that Russia has stuck to since before this war occurring right up to now with negotiations to end the conflict.

Or you can simply say in black and white terms that there's good vs bad. Nothing else bears witness to.

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Re: Empire [message #98506 is a reply to message #98504]

Tue, 29 April 2025 13:54

Wayne Parham
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Illuminati (33rd Degree)

I can't continue this discussion for a while because I'm heading to Austin for the Lone Star Audiofest. So I'm just too busy to chat online much right now.

But I gotta say one last thing, even though it feels like we're just going round and round.

You said, "Your interpretation just by what you 'see' and the people whom you know there forms a bias to the part of what I think is a narrow, blinders-on approach I'm trying to describe. That there is an advance directive to what has transpired in that region which has contributed enormously to what has occurred! And there's plenty of evidence to show that. I've tried to include it in this series. Your scapegoat is Putin! The Novi-Russki's! I haven't read any real documentation from your claim."

I've heard and read all the kinds of stuff you keep saying. But I've heard and read expert analysis saying all the kinds of stuff I've described too. I'm not the only one saying it. In fact, some of the links you've posted in this thread and on the other one here about Ukraine say exactly the same things I'm telling you. So you can find "evidence" that supports either side.

It's just that I have an extra amount of confidence in what I'm saying because of my experience with that culture. And from the length of time I've been involved with people in that culture. I've literally been there, and I've been watching this stuff "up close and personal" since the 1990s. Most people in America did not have this view, and frankly, most still don't. It's just not on our radar, other than what we see in the nightly news.

What I'm saying is to disregard 99% of what you are calling "evidence" and simply look at the actions taken by both sides. Stop reading people you think are "experts" and think with your own mind, using actual physical evidence that you can see.

Since your main thrust of this forum thread is a mistrust of empire builders and their deceptive practices, I would think this would appeal to you.

The fact is that Putin annexed Crimea by sending a barrage of troops. He then attacked eastern Ukraine. Ukraine is a sovereign nation and has been since 1991. So no matter what else happened behind the scenes, that was an unwarranted attack.

Putin can say a whole bunch of nationalistic rhetoric - and others can repeat it - but it's all just saber-rattling. It's the very thing this thread complains about, only it is being done in Russia and not in America or by one of our allies.

So my position is if you want to get upset about ugly stuff going on behind the scenes in an "evil empire," you damn well shouldn't let Putin off the hook. He ain't the good guy.

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Re: Empire [message #98507 is a reply to message #98506]

Wed, 30 April 2025 06:13

Rusty
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Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

I agree we have irreconcilable differences of opinion. So the table tennis debate is just that.

I don't think just being somewhere gives squat to what is going on behind the scene's in this world. And knowing a few people that are biased from living wherever gives a solid foundation for forming a true understanding. It just gives a taste of the scene. Not the nourishment of the banquet. And you're riding mainly from that perspective. I see that in this debate, from the MMT thread and the AI thread.

I'll stick to what I got as I think it's better than what I read and hear on the news. That's the 99 percent of which anyone can discard. But that one percent is what is compelling in spelling out what's happening. In total, it adds up. Like detective work.

The evidence I've listed has enough depth to be figured into a pattern of real recognition of reality. Not propaganda that poses as evidence. You can file that away where it belongs.

Have a good'n at the audiofest.

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Re: Empire [message #98508 is a reply to message #98507]

Wed, 30 April 2025 10:05

Rusty
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Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

I just watched this discussion from the Jeffrey Sachs Book Club. A young man named Aaron Good with a newly minted PhD has written a book based on his dissertation study called American "Exception", not exceptionalism. Which has been the typical narrative bandied about out country's perception of itself at home and abroad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXvuOG33zLs

Mr. Good explains how our American system of democratic government is supplemented with a bureaucracy of the Deep State consisting of the political state, the security state and the "overlord" state, (the oligarchy) which forms our domestic and foreign policy.

That a free reign is given to the security state to administer covert and overt operations in the world that the deep state apparatus seeks control of. Overriding even the legislative political state. Thanks to the "overlord" principal control over the political part of our government. Campaign finance and lobbying.

Really a fascinating discussion that gives great food for thought about the state of our empire and its system of management. It challenges the notion we actually have a democracy.

Its a book I'll be acquiring for sure. American Exception by Aaron Good.

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Re: Empire [message #98516 is a reply to message #98508]

Sat, 03 May 2025 09:13

Rusty
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Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

Having hoped that this already tiresome administration at least had a smidgeon of some ethical sense of ending the Ukraine disaster is a pipedream. The deep state along with a terribly flawed individual figure heading our government plays with inadequate skills and faulty virtue to leave the conflict with no real attempt to fairly end it. Our country has bigger things to deal with now, (China). Everything is a transaction with the POTUS and our deep state continues to operate as usual with a demented ideology of conquest.

Cut out wasteful domestic social spending, slash programs. We need more money for our military! We must meet all the threats that we can ever imagine. Whether they exist or not. The important thing is our dominant standing in the world.

I think we're a sick, sick country judging from our long declining leadership. We've lost any shred of being fair and just to our people and to the rest of the world. Where its going doesn't give much encouragement.

A good article that contributes with the pessimism.

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/05/02/core-trump/

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Re: Empire [message #98521 is a reply to message #98516]

Tue, 06 May 2025 11:44

Rusty
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Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

Here is a website showing the destruction and death created by the US air campaign in Yemen on Israel's behalf to try and halt the Houthis targeting vessels in the Red Sea that supply Israel. On behalf of the Palestinian genocide Israel is conducting in Gaza.
The Houthis had stopped their warfare on shipping during the brief ceasefire in Gaza, that Israel had broken their end repeatedly by sniper fire killing civilians during that period. The Houthis returned to their shipping warfare when Israel commenced bombarding and starving civilians again in Gaza.

The Trump administration supports Israel as did the Biden administration. Both bipartisan political party's are as one in this behavior. Aiding and abetting genocide in Israel's behalf. And bombing targets in Yemen that have done nothing to stop the Houthis support of Palestinians. Only killing innocent civilians as do the Israeli's.

This is our sick, degenerate political process at work today. The website shows the aftermath of our bombing campaign. Complete with images of bodies. Children. You can unblur the images. Which should be shown to all Americans if our news weren't sanitized and full of propaganda and fake journalism.

https://airwars.org/country/yemen/

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Re: Empire [message #98556 is a reply to message #98521]

Tue, 13 May 2025 07:07

Rusty
Messages: 1333
Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

This gal puts what I'm reading from the book, American Exception, with an academic perspective, into a layman's perspective. So, essentially how to interpret the news and how it's manipulated by the state to conform to its narrative.

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/how-to-make-your-mind-harder-for

Meanwhile the book delves into the 3 pillars of our political, security and capitalist state. How their woven together and the power status of their influence. Going back to the founding of this country. A pretty big meal to digest so far for me. Academia writing doesn't lend itself to casual reading. But it's giving me a window into what makes this big mess operate as it has and does.

https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510769137/american-exception/

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Re: Empire [message #98562 is a reply to message #98556]

Wed, 14 May 2025 11:54

Rusty
Messages: 1333
Registered: May 2018
Location: Kansas City Missouri

Illuminati (3rd Degree)

Old Egghead I call him. Brian Berletic researches the real from the front page pablum. He digs into policy papers and political speeches from politicians to separate facts from the fiction we're fed. Pablum. Tasteless and non nourishing bunk the corporate press passes for journalism.

This blog entry shows how the story of our negotiating with Russia and the end of the Ukrainian conflict is all a front to "pivot" to our main adversary, "China" to try and maintain our silly hegemony stature in the world. Really though its more a desperate means of maintaining our neocon overworld continuation of wealth extraction and preservation we've been accustomed to since the big war last century. Hittin the skids now with big China, Russia and all the manufacturing countries in the world that are taking our mojo down a notch or two. But wait! We didn't account for the 3rd world becoming so resourceful and strong. We wanted to use them for as long as our fairytale vision of endless wealth extraction would go on and on forever.

So Trump and the policy manual Project 2025 are being adhered to verbatim as Mr. Berletic points out with his research. The spin Dr's do their part to keep us peons guessing wrong and clueless to their real designs. The big, big picture is keeping the empire intact and in command. No matter what the cost in lives and treasure spent to maintain the charade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5B1o7E5A5o

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