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Re: Empire [message #98504 is a reply to message #98503] Tue, 29 April 2025 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your interpretation just by what you "see" and the people whom you know there forms a bias to the part of what I think is a narrow, blinders-on approach I'm trying to describe. That there is an advance directive to what has transpired in that region which has contributed enormously to what has occurred! And there's plenty of evidence to show that. I've tried to include it in this series. Your scapegoat is Putin! The Novi-Russki's! I haven't read any real documentation from your claim. Just, take your word for it. You've seen it, you've been there.

Nothing in the big picture of domestic and international relations is just blatant happenstance. There is always an underlying aggravation or scheme to eventually make things occur. You can liken it to a pre-cancer as an analogy.

You can say most other nations can see this tragedy in your good vs bad view. But I'd wager that it mainly follows within the G7 nations and not from the viewpoint of a greater number of nations and population of the world that are clamoring to join the BRICS alliance that want to be out from under our nation's dominating influence.

And you never say anything about this alliance. As maybe you don't follow this critical framework to what is changing in the world. But its a critical part of why our country is experiencing as well as all the G7 countries an economic downturn directly related to the economic doctrine that isn't functioning well for the people of the collective G7. And our exploitive behavior, that now from this new administration is exposing blatantly our true nature of international exploitation. Extortion!

So I'm saying all along this conflict is attributable to what has been the United States policy planners conniving over a great long time. That it is a continuation of other historical precedents that forms a pattern of behavior from this ideology. Just like what has happened with our economy. If one cares to follow the contradictions and patterns, one finds that the inevitable conclusion is that our country bears a great deal of responsibility for this conflict to have occurred. You can see that in the conditions that Russia has stuck to since before this war occurring right up to now with negotiations to end the conflict.

Or you can simply say in black and white terms that there's good vs bad. Nothing else bears witness to.

Re: Empire [message #98506 is a reply to message #98504] Tue, 29 April 2025 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can't continue this discussion for a while because I'm heading to Austin for the Lone Star Audiofest.  So I'm just too busy to chat online much right now.

But I gotta say one last thing, even though it feels like we're just going round and round.

You said, "Your interpretation just by what you 'see' and the people whom you know there forms a bias to the part of what I think is a narrow, blinders-on approach I'm trying to describe. That there is an advance directive to what has transpired in that region which has contributed enormously to what has occurred! And there's plenty of evidence to show that. I've tried to include it in this series. Your scapegoat is Putin! The Novi-Russki's! I haven't read any real documentation from your claim."

I've heard and read all the kinds of stuff you keep saying.  But I've heard and read expert analysis saying all the kinds of stuff I've described too.  I'm not the only one saying it.  In fact, some of the links you've posted in this thread and on the other one here about Ukraine say exactly the same things I'm telling you.  So you can find "evidence" that supports either side.

It's just that I have an extra amount of confidence in what I'm saying because of my experience with that culture.  And from the length of time I've been involved with people in that culture.  I've literally been there, and I've been watching this stuff "up close and personal" since the 1990s.  Most people in America did not have this view, and frankly, most still don't.  It's just not on our radar, other than what we see in the nightly news.

What I'm saying is to disregard 99% of what you are calling "evidence" and simply look at the actions taken by both sides.  Stop reading people you think are "experts" and think with your own mind, using actual physical evidence that you can see.

Since your main thrust of this forum thread is a mistrust of empire builders and their deceptive practices, I would think this would appeal to you.

The fact is that Putin annexed Crimea by sending a barrage of troops.  He then attacked eastern Ukraine.  Ukraine is a sovereign nation and has been since 1991. So no matter what else happened behind the scenes, that was an unwarranted attack.

Putin can say a whole bunch of nationalistic rhetoric - and others can repeat it - but it's all just saber-rattling.  It's the very thing this thread complains about, only it is being done in Russia and not in America or by one of our allies.

So my position is if you want to get upset about ugly stuff going on behind the scenes in an "evil empire," you damn well shouldn't let Putin off the hook.  He ain't the good guy.
Re: Empire [message #98507 is a reply to message #98506] Wed, 30 April 2025 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree we have irreconcilable differences of opinion. So the table tennis debate is just that.

I don't think just being somewhere gives squat to what is going on behind the scene's in this world. And knowing a few people that are biased from living wherever gives a solid foundation for forming a true understanding. It just gives a taste of the scene. Not the nourishment of the banquet. And you're riding mainly from that perspective. I see that in this debate, from the MMT thread and the AI thread.

I'll stick to what I got as I think it's better than what I read and hear on the news. That's the 99 percent of which anyone can discard. But that one percent is what is compelling in spelling out what's happening. In total, it adds up. Like detective work.  

The evidence I've listed has enough depth to be figured into a pattern of real recognition of reality. Not propaganda that poses as evidence. You can file that away where it belongs.

Have a good'n at the audiofest.


Re: Empire [message #98508 is a reply to message #98507] Wed, 30 April 2025 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just watched this discussion from the Jeffrey Sachs Book Club. A young man named Aaron Good with a newly minted PhD has written a book based on his dissertation study called American "Exception", not exceptionalism. Which has been the typical narrative bandied about out country's perception of itself at home and abroad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXvuOG33zLs

Mr. Good explains how our American system of democratic government is supplemented with a bureaucracy of the Deep State consisting of the political state, the security state and the "overlord" state, (the oligarchy) which forms our domestic and foreign policy.

That a free reign is given to the security state to administer covert and overt operations in the world that the deep state apparatus seeks control of. Overriding even the legislative political state. Thanks to the "overlord" principal control over the political part of our government. Campaign finance and lobbying.

Really a fascinating discussion that gives great food for thought about the state of our empire and its system of management. It challenges the notion we actually have a democracy.

Its a book I'll be acquiring for sure. American Exception by Aaron Good.
Re: Empire [message #98516 is a reply to message #98508] Sat, 03 May 2025 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Having hoped that this already tiresome administration at least had a smidgeon of some ethical sense of ending the Ukraine disaster is a pipedream. The deep state along with a terribly flawed individual figure heading our government plays with inadequate skills and faulty virtue to leave the conflict with no real attempt to fairly end it. Our country has bigger things to deal with now, (China). Everything is a transaction with the POTUS and our deep state continues to operate as usual with a demented ideology of conquest.

Cut out wasteful domestic social spending, slash programs. We need more money for our military! We must meet all the threats that we can ever imagine. Whether they exist or not. The important thing is our dominant standing in the world.

I think we're a sick, sick country judging from our long declining leadership. We've lost any shred of being fair and just to our people and to the rest of the world. Where its going doesn't give much encouragement.

A good article that contributes with the pessimism.

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/05/02/core-trump/
Re: Empire [message #98521 is a reply to message #98516] Tue, 06 May 2025 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is a website showing the destruction and death created by the US air campaign in Yemen on Israel's behalf to try and halt the Houthis targeting vessels in the Red Sea that supply Israel. On behalf of the Palestinian genocide Israel is conducting in Gaza.
The Houthis had stopped their warfare on shipping during the brief ceasefire in Gaza, that Israel had broken their end repeatedly by sniper fire killing civilians during that period. The Houthis returned to their shipping warfare when Israel commenced bombarding and starving civilians again in Gaza.

The Trump administration supports Israel as did the Biden administration. Both bipartisan political party's are as one in this behavior. Aiding and abetting genocide in Israel's behalf. And bombing targets in Yemen that have done nothing to stop the Houthis support of Palestinians. Only killing innocent civilians as do the Israeli's.

This is our sick, degenerate political process at work today. The website shows the aftermath of our bombing campaign. Complete with images of bodies. Children. You can unblur the images. Which should be shown to all Americans if our news weren't sanitized and full of propaganda and fake journalism.

https://airwars.org/country/yemen/
Re: Empire [message #98556 is a reply to message #98521] Tue, 13 May 2025 07:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This gal puts what I'm reading from the book, American Exception, with an academic perspective, into a layman's perspective. So, essentially how to interpret the news and how it's manipulated by the state to conform to its narrative.

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/how-to-make-your-mind-harder-for

Meanwhile the book delves into the 3 pillars of our political, security and capitalist state. How their woven together and the power status of their influence. Going back to the founding of this country. A pretty big meal to digest so far for me. Academia writing doesn't lend itself to casual reading. But it's giving me a window into what makes this big mess operate as it has and does.

https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510769137/american-exception/
Re: Empire [message #98562 is a reply to message #98556] Wed, 14 May 2025 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Old Egghead I call him. Brian Berletic researches the real from the front page pablum. He digs into policy papers and political speeches from politicians to separate facts from the fiction we're fed. Pablum. Tasteless and non nourishing bunk the corporate press passes for journalism.

This blog entry shows how the story of our negotiating with Russia and the end of the Ukrainian conflict is all a front to "pivot" to our main adversary, "China" to try and maintain our silly hegemony stature in the world. Really though its more a desperate means of maintaining our neocon overworld continuation of wealth extraction and preservation we've been accustomed to since the big war last century. Hittin the skids now with big China, Russia and all the manufacturing countries in the world that are taking our mojo down a notch or two. But wait! We didn't account for the 3rd world becoming so resourceful and strong. We wanted to use them for as long as our fairytale vision of endless wealth extraction would go on and on forever.

So Trump and the policy manual Project 2025 are being adhered to verbatim as Mr. Berletic points out with his research. The spin Dr's do their part to keep us peons guessing wrong and clueless to their real designs. The big, big picture is keeping the empire intact and in command. No matter what the cost in lives and treasure spent to maintain the charade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5B1o7E5A5o
Re: Empire [message #98566 is a reply to message #98562] Fri, 16 May 2025 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In this discussion with Wolff & Hudson entitled Empire Without Returns is a telling paragraph by M. Hudson regarding the origins of the Cold War.
https://michael-hudson.com/2025/05/empire-without-returns/

Quote:
What was really the source of this Cold War?

It wasn’t just geopolitical. The Soviet Union wasn’t a trade rival or an investment rival. It was a different economic system. And that’s what led the United States to start the Cold War right away in 1917. As soon as you had the Bolshevik Revolution there, the U.S., along with England, tried to invade Russia and overthrow the revolution.

The whole fight against communism, they didn’t say it’s against the Soviet Union or the Russian people or Russian production. It was against communism.

And the threat of communism, what was it? The Americans feared that it was an alternative economic organization to that of American finance capitalism. And in the negotiations in 1944 and 1945, leading up to the World Trade Organization creation, the International Trade Organization, the U.S. negotiators said, “how are we going to deal with a socialist economy?” Because socialist economies are lower cost than Western capitalist economies.

Socialist economies are more efficient because they don’t have a predatory financial class. They don’t have a real estate class. Their housing costs are much lower because you don’t have an absentee landlord class that is able to maximize its land rent. You don’t have debt. The government of Russia simply creates the money.

Well, we all know that the Russian system really wasn’t a workable economic threat to the West because it was basically, under Stalin, a bureaucratic collectivism. They didn’t let a hundred flowers bloom as Mao did. They didn’t let what had been Lenin’s new economic policy of 1921 actually create any kind of competition there. China did.
In a nutshell this explains what our whole cold war ideology has been derived from. That nowadays has become such a monetary strain on our country. The whole tariff debacle is just an extension of our longstanding cold war capitalism vs socialism ideology. We're losing the advantage we enjoyed as a free lunch with our exorbitant dollar dominance in trade. Which allowed for us to deindustrialize and pursue finance capitalism service economy as our economic model.

Its proven to be a self destructive and perverse means of running an economy that funnels the economic proceeds towards the upper incomes. At the expense of the middle and lower incomes. So the tariff chaos now is but an attempt to try and extort the worlds economies towards keeping our upper income free lunch protected from countries now de-dollarizing because of our perverse weaponization of the dollar. Sanctioning, proxy warring, regime changing behavior.  

In the meantime, another indicator of our empire's decay is our educational standards has been falling behind to the rest of the world. And our literacy rate is declining. Public schooling is underfunded and being perversely challenged by privatization. But the data shows the story.
https://sonar21.com/if-ignorance-is-bliss-the-us-is-the-happiest-superpower/

The trends show that our economic system is faltering and the deep state financialized military industrial complex ideology is only now isolating our country from the rest of the world as the once 3rd world has the economic and political power to counter our empire finally since the great war of last century.

So far our leadership still maintains that our empire is the necessary center of gravity in this world. While the greater portion of humanity and countries are feeling that no one country has claim over the rest.
Re: Empire [message #98570 is a reply to message #98566] Sat, 17 May 2025 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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The more I read into this book American Exception, the more I can understand the depravity of what our country has become. The rule of law is absent within the power structure of our tripartite state. The power structure supplanted by the authority of the security state and the wealthy interests of the corporate overworld state. Working behind the scenes to the outward appearances of the political state. Overruling debate and developing plausible cover stories to mislead the public.

What we think of as a democracy is really a front for what is really happening within this multi staged control apparatus. And its gradually taken more control of the political "representation" we're all vaguely aware of. Our two party system basically follows what the prerogatives are in domestic and foreign policy of what the tripartite state decree's. Whether or not its in the best interest of the public or not.

Lying, cheating, stealing, defamation, killing, regime change and wars are all part of the lawlessness that this system perceives as for its best interests. And as a world leader of empire minded statecraft that's now in its twilight. The posturing positions employed to try and maintain this hegemony is finally isolating our position as one of an uncooperative spoiled sport that tries to get its way by subterfuge and bullying.  

The latest with the tariff fiasco shines a bright light on this apparatus. It seems more and more clear to me that our country is on the wrong side of virtuousness and benign relationship with the greater part of the world these days.

Our economic system needs more than reform. Because reform only begats a brief time which corruption eats away at it. As with the period of economic social reform of the Roosevelt years. Slowly and surely reduced by the overworld wealth influences of the opaque power system we have.

The Chinese said it best in response to the tariff decree thrown out into the world. Someone said, The US needs a revolution.
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