Good point W. My opinion. The extreme divisiveness fostered by the disengenousness of the leaders in power has made political discussion nasty, lacking in substance and basically irrelevant since so many minds are already made up and have been made up from day one. Sad, I cannot even express any reasonable approach to understanding the political climate to my kids due to attrocious levels of spin and fakery. Our political climate is degenerating into that of a banana republic. And the media owned by friends of those in power refuse to even attempt to due their job as the fourth estate. We'll see in Nov. Maybe the electorate will come to their senses.