tube rectifiers [message #8308] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 17:31 |
rohit
Messages: 5 Registered: May 2009
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Greetings all, I am building a tube amp and considering rectification. I can use tube diodes, standard silicon diodes or FR diodes. I would like some input on this subject. Rohit
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Re: tube rectifiers [message #8311 is a reply to message #8308] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 23:17 |
metasonix
Messages: 103 Registered: May 2009
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A tube rectifier has a major advantage, built-in slow warmup. But it has a lot of disadvantages--wasting power, needing a separate filament winding, causing massive destruction if it develops gas, etc. Cheap diodes have slew-rate problems which can increase the noise floor in the amp. I'd use FREDs, and a time delay switch or standby switch. And recommend you precede each diode with a 100-ohm 5w resistor to reduce the turn-on surge. That simple trick can increase reliability of the power supply considerably.
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Re: tube rectifiers [message #8314 is a reply to message #8312] |
Thu, 08 July 2004 22:43 |
metasonix
Messages: 103 Registered: May 2009
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>Why is having full rail voltage on output tube plate during warmup of its filament a problem? It can cause damage to the tube's cathode coating. It is called cathode stripping. A problem mostly to power tubes running from plate supplies of 400v or greater. IMO, new current production power tubes are more prone to this than NOS. >Do you mean that the tube rectifier wastes amplifier power or electricity? It wastes electricity, adds heat to the system (never a good thing), and represents an additional stress on a power transformer. >Can you wire the standby switch to become completely removed from the circuit after warm-up? No. Why would you want that?
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Re: tube rectifiers [message #8319 is a reply to message #8318] |
Sat, 10 July 2004 02:44 |
metasonix
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>Cathode stripping, how would you know it's happening? You wouldn't---it damages the coating and shortens the tube's life. It leaves no other traces. >Then only if the B+ is high, say if you are using 211 triodes or somesuch why is it an issue? Only applies to oxide cathodes or oxide-coated filaments. Power tubes with thoriated filaments (like most 211s) are not harmed by it. >the case of the surge circuit wouldn't you want all switches and/or relays out of the circuit I don't agree in the case of COMMERCIAL amps. They have to be reliable and usable. You can wire your own amp however you wish. And accept any reliability issues that result. >whatever happened to that nice PP 2a3 amp J. Eckland built? He's still got the thing and it does sounds great--but not as good as the KT88 amp! >When are we going to hear from Natalie Stone Beats me--ask the publisher.
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Re: tube rectifiers [message #8330 is a reply to message #8317] |
Sat, 17 July 2004 21:59 |
metasonix
Messages: 103 Registered: May 2009
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it is a problem for power tubes. If you apply plate voltage when the cathode is still cold, it can damage the cathode coating. It becomes a problem only above 400v plate voltage. Some of my references claim it's a phantom, because (supposedly) modern tubes have good cathode coatings. But current production tubes aren't as well made as 20-30 years ago, so it's better to be conservative in this area.
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