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Baffle wall [message #71560] Mon, 27 February 2012 20:08 Go to next message
dutchswan0311 is currently offline  dutchswan0311
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I have been doing research on baffle walls behind AT screens and how to build one. Many people are saying that a baffle wall is either an excellent idea or a terrible idea depending on the speakers used. Wayne; what do you recommend for the 4pi when they are used as the LCR mains behind an AT screen?
Re: Baffle wall [message #71562 is a reply to message #71560] Mon, 27 February 2012 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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It's good when they're back up against the wall, even better when embedded in it, baffle flush with the wall.

The closer you can get a speaker to the boundary, the less problem from self-interference there is from it. But if you can't put it within a couple feet from the wall, it's best for it to be really far away. That's why most audiophile believe that the speakers should be far from walls - They should, unless they can be acoustically close to the boundary, which is even better.
Re: Baffle wall [message #72402 is a reply to message #71562] Fri, 27 April 2012 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2nd Question related to utilizing a baffle wall:

I have been researching what material to put on the baffle wall. Most say that a sound dampening material should be used to absorb anything reflected off the back of the AT screen. Someone else mentioned that doing this would lose some benefit the 4pi has when being flush mounted.

What do you recommend Wayne?
Re: Baffle wall [message #72405 is a reply to message #72402] Fri, 27 April 2012 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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A couple of posts about the subject of soffit mounting:
There are a few linked pages in each of those threads. Be sure and read the content contained in each of the links because they describe the underlying issue - which is actually directivity. In-wall mounting makes the minimum radiating area be halfspace, so there is no transition from freespace.

About the surface of the back wall, if the speaker are flush mounted, it doesn't matter what the surface is because it will not act as a reflector. If the speakers are pulled away from the wall, then reflectivity does matter and it could benefit from damping. The problem is the frequencies you really need to damp are so low nothing really works.

At high frequencies the speaker is directional enough that the wall behind is not an issue. At lower midrange frequencies where the reflection can be a problem, no damping material helps. It's not thick enough. That's the reason we use flanking subs - Their job is to reduce anomalies caused by the nearest boundaries, the back wall being the biggest offender.
Re: Baffle wall [message #72408 is a reply to message #72405] Fri, 27 April 2012 12:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But won't the back of the AT screen reflect back onto the front of the baffle wall? And wouldn't the sound that is reflected onto the baffle wall reflect back on the the back of the AT screen (in an endless cycle)?
Re: Baffle wall [message #72409 is a reply to message #72408] Fri, 27 April 2012 12:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Yes, because screens aren't perfectly transparent acoustically. They reflect some sound, so they act just like you're talking about. This manifests itself as response ripple. There's a measurement of this on the page below, comparing the response of a speaker with and without a screen in front of it. There's also some discussion about what to do about it.
Re: Baffle wall needed for 4pi use as LCR? [message #72410 is a reply to message #72409] Fri, 27 April 2012 12:50 Go to previous message
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Man Wayne, you sure do make me read a lot. Razz
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