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How To Make An iPod Sound Like a $1.5K CD Player [message #67276] Thu, 28 April 2011 13:34 Go to next message
AudioFred is currently offline  AudioFred
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I just received my new Onkyo ND-S1 Digital Media Transport. "Digital Media Transport" is a pretentious name for iPod dock, but that's what they call it, and it's sound merits a pretentious name. The ND-S1 is an iPod dock with no analog outputs - it outputs only the iPod's raw digital signal via a coaxial, optical, or USB cable, to your own DAC.

I assume most users would use the DAC in their HT receiver, but I'm using the digital input on my Cambridge Audio 840 CD player, which has a very good DAC section. I can synchronize a CD with my iPod and do an A/B comparison of the two, and the signal from the ND-S1 is every bit as good as the sound of the actual CD I ripped into Itunes. Of course you have to rip your CD to Apple Lossless or some other like-quality file and not to a lossy format like MP3.

The good news is the ND-S1 is only $165 versus $370 for the only other iPod dock that accesses the digital signal, the Wadia. According to some reviews by knowledgable technowoks the Onkyo is a much better design. The bad news is the Onkyo isn't sold in the US - you have to buy it on Ebay from a Japanese exporter and pay $38 air freight, but that's not exactly an arm and a leg in high end audio.

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Re: How To Make An iPod Sound Like a $1.5K CD Player [message #67279 is a reply to message #67276] Thu, 28 April 2011 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Onkyo also makes stereo PCI sound cards that sound like what you describe. The make one that's about 90 bucks that I would only use for pure digital transport, and a 300 dollar model that I would use for analogue output. It has swapable op-amp support.

Re: How To Make An iPod Sound Like a $1.5K CD Player [message #67280 is a reply to message #67276] Thu, 28 April 2011 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's a link to some technical info about the Onkyo:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/157594-inside-onkyo-nd-s1-ipod-transport.html
Re: How To Make An iPod Sound Like a $1.5K CD Player [message #67339 is a reply to message #67276] Sun, 01 May 2011 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It looks like you have a great setup there! $38 is not really all that much for shipping considering it is coming from Japan. I don't have a dock anymore as I connect via bluetooth to my stereo system. It works nice when I want to change songs on the fly.
Re: How To Make An iPod Sound Like a $1.5K CD Player [message #67370 is a reply to message #67276] Mon, 02 May 2011 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It goes to show you how little knowledge I had about this. I am glad you guys share your knowledge. I am checking this things out because I really want better sound from my iPod.
Re: How To Make An iPod Sound Like a $1.5K CD Player [message #67373 is a reply to message #67370] Mon, 02 May 2011 17:22 Go to previous message
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iDummy wrote on Mon, 02 May 2011 17:13
It goes to show you how little knowledge I had about this. I am glad you guys share your knowledge. I am checking this things out because I really want better sound from my iPod.


Keep in mind, to use this thing you need a separate DAC or a receiver with a built in DAC, which almost all HT receivers have today. There is no analog output, so you can't connect it to the analog inputs of a receiver or amplifier.
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