| Re: New York Times Leak [message #58850 is a reply to message #58842] |
Wed, 28 June 2006 18:25   |
Bill Martinelli
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Registered: May 2009
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What if people are not clever after all? Maybe they are brainwashed by the media. There is a lot of talk radio and it's pretty much one side or the other. Both sides say the other side sucks and your going to die a slow miserable and impovered death if you defect from red to blue or blue to red.Personally, I dint like party politics. I'd like to be a republican, and more often than not I like those candidates. But I vote for candidates. not a party line. I feel people voting straight party line are not voicing an educated opinion; but an opinion of the party. I'm very conservative on some things and very liberal on others. no one party suits me so there would be not one party of candidates that would suit me. Since I'm an individual, I vote for individuals. Death tax is pittance. wait till the average wage earner is making 75k a person in a few year and a married couple reports 150k and none of the itemized deduction amount to a piss hole in the snow, because your paying AMT. What about 400 billion in war efforts in 6 years.
No student left behind my ass. That money could send 10 years of high school graduates to college across the country fro free. And of course you realize that the monthly payment for a family HMO is around 900. which is no more than the average mortgage payment.
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| Re: A classic example [message #58852 is a reply to message #58851] |
Wed, 28 June 2006 20:37 |
Shane
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Registered: May 2009
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Yes, we can disregard the religious aspect, but let's not forget it still is lurking in the background.
I don't know if spite is the right word. I think it's still the small town mentality of "this or that" doesn't happen here and we're not going to let it (even though in reality it usually does in my experience). In my experience there were usually only a handful of people willing to take forward initiative on any stance in my small town. I think a lot of that has to do with the good chance of being ostracized in a small community. In a city, that doesn't necessarily happen to much effect.
Again, in my experience a lot of the kids in the small towns don't move on to larger cities. They stay near home, work the family farm, or teach at the small schools, etc.... I think the exposure to "big city morals" is actually the fuel for the negativity. They only heard about it before, or saw it for real occasionally (TV doesn't count, it's been declining forever). Now it's everywhere, as your implying. Also, most of these small towns consist of an older generation than myself and a younger generation than myself. You have a set of people that are set in their ways so to speak, voting down the line for one party or the next, not like Bill or myself. Then you've got the younger generation that don't even know what voting is I think. I've got no reason to complain, as I'm a poor example for voting rights unfortunately.
People should get angry! But in the small town I come from, a lot of people are used to having no money or losing money every year farming. As long as the gov't gives them their subsidies to farm another year they don't care. Anything that involves agriculture at the gov't level is what they're concerned about. Farming is all they know, and the markets are so worthless that it's a losing battle really for the small farmer. So whoever is for ag is who they vote for, regardless of any other agenda that candidate may have.
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| Re: A classic example [message #58858 is a reply to message #58857] |
Thu, 29 June 2006 20:32 |
Shane
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Something along those lines. Many of the outfitters in the area I grew up in basically lease or buy prime deer hunting ground and manage the herd with feed, culling of "inferior genetics", blah blah blah, then hunters pay to hunt there. Hobby hunters, professional hunters, guys who have TV shows, own camo companies, you name it. I hunted on a lot of this ground for free (well, we helped out the landowners with their work when they needed it, gave them part of our meat at the end of the hunt, etc...) for nearly 20 years. In the last 5 years it has all been leased by either outfitters or just hunters with the cash. To hunt a trophy size whitetail deer on some land I used to have permission on is between $6-10K, depending on antler size. Multiply this for 6-12 people per week, from the 1st of Oct. till the last day of Dec. Good money even after lease payments and insurance. If I'm going to pay money like that I can go to Africa and hunt for two weeks all inclusive. But I've never been a trophy hunter. I filled the freezer when it needed to be, and took mature animals to keep the herd balanced when needed. Don't get me wrong. I, like most whitetail deer hunters like to take an animal with big antlers. It's an ego thing. That and most bucks with large headgear get that way because they are careful, so the hunt for them is far, far harder than a young one. I've know guys that hunted the same deer for 6-7 years and never got a shot. But I never went out of my way to really pick out a specific one. Most the time I was just glad to out in the woods where it's peaceful. Half the time I'd leave my bow in the vehicle.
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