I wouldn't take the term Battle literally it is a euphemism. There is only the appearence of a struggle due to the absolute obstinate refusal to grant the truths that all citizens know to be real since grade school. That I believe is why E posts the words of the founding fathers; that should be the explanation. If there is a refusal to accept that from the originators of our government; then I have to suspect this is really not about the govt. Thats fine if there is an alternative agenda; I just would like to discuss the topic myself; I think that would clear up any mis-understandings and provide an interesting commentary on the difference's between how the red and blue states think.