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Troy [message #5652] Wed, 16 February 2005 15:59 Go to next message
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Without going into all the bloody details (figuratively or
literally) this new film with Brad Pitt as the Beaver was a
huge waste of time.


This is how boring it was: during the film I was going out
online looking for cheesecake photos of Helen and Andromache.


OTOH, there's this small film made in the European market or
for tv and distributed to vid stores that I thought was a better product.


Re: Troy [message #5654 is a reply to message #5652] Thu, 17 February 2005 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought it was alright, but there were soooo many others playing at the same time. The History Channel was running a version and two were out in the theaters all at about the same time. So I kinda overdosed on the Trojan Horse thing. And what's with making all the Helens so plain? She was supposed to be a babe, not Olive Oil or something.



Re: Troy [message #5662 is a reply to message #5654] Thu, 17 February 2005 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only good thing that came out of all this was that I recalled
seeing the film version of The Trojan Women by Euripides and
starring Katherine Hepburn. No, I didn't find it as an
obscurelibrary listing, it was on the shelf at Blockbuster
way back when.

When I remembered it, I requested my library to add it to it's
collection of plays. It's in a current Kino Video version
on dvd.


Also that Helen O' Troy I mentioned _is_ stocked by the
local library. I was going to re-rent and was surprised
to see it turn up.


All these big war adventures got triggered by the upsurge
of nationalism after 911. I'll bet my shirt on it. But to
give some historical distance, they picked antiquity and
made Troy and Alexander the Great.


I'm getting weary of these CGI "cast of hundreds of thousands"
epics. There's that haze you can always see in the CGI images
that says "fake".


No good s-f films being made, so now that I have a dvd player,
I'm catching up on Star Trek Voyager episodes.

Star Trek (original series) [message #5664 is a reply to message #5662] Thu, 17 February 2005 23:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've been meaning to pick up the original series on DVD. I must have seen each one a dozen times, but sometimes I feel like watching a particular episode again. It would be great to have it handy on DVD.

"Damnit Scotty, if we don't have warp drive in five minutes we're all dead!"

Re: Star Trek (original series) [message #5666 is a reply to message #5664] Fri, 18 February 2005 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember reading the Making Of Star Trek book and back
on TOS (The Original Series) the costume designer wrote about
how he worked in as much cheesecake as he could for the
alien babes. Even the terra babes on the crew had short skirts.

In the revival series' they took an absolutely
Puritan approach in the 80's. Then came Jeri Ryan as
Seven Of Nine in ST-V (Star Trek Voyager.) Still, there
seems to be consistent pattern of keeping sex out of the
program-- unlike the rest of tv and unlike ST-TOS.


The future isn't what it used to be.




Re: Star Trek (original series) [message #5667 is a reply to message #5666] Sat, 19 February 2005 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You know, I never thought about it but I think you're right. Certainly, the original Star Trek regularly had a love interest for Kirk, and she was always a babe. And there was always ensign Rand too. Seemed like all alien women were dolls, maybe that's why so many people are fascinated with ET's

Original Star Trek CastEnsign Janice Rand

The next generation Star Trek might have been more conservative, but there was always the tension between Deanna Troi and Commander Riker. That and her cleavage spiced things up a bit. And sometimes they would throw in a little chemistry between Dr. Crusher and Captain Picard too.

Next Generation CastDeanna Troi

Re: Star Trek (original series) [message #5668 is a reply to message #5667] Sat, 19 February 2005 02:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And if the costume guidelines reflecting 1960's style
were to continue into the Next Generation and have
elements of our current age, the female crew mmbers would have
hip huggers and bare midriffs.


I actually think a lot more care is taken with the newer
series. It's less broad and not as much scenery chewing.

The features films, with notable exceptions, have been
getting better in that there is less 'fan service' (a term
used in anime quite a bit) and more story.


If the plot lines were written then as they are now, the
Borg collective would be a reference to Communism I suppose.


I stopped watching tv after the first episode of ST-V, not because I didn't like Voyager, I had just had it with commercial televison.
I never went back.

But now I can watch the content without the advertising.

Re: Star Trek (original series) [message #5669 is a reply to message #5668] Sat, 19 February 2005 05:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was impressed with Roddenberry's ability to put a friendly face on people of cultures that many Americans viewed in a lesser sense, sometimes as lower class and sometimes as faceless enemies. Navigator ensign Pavel Chekov was a Russian who was patriotic and proud of his heritage. This is remarkable, since most Americans saw Russians with distrust in 1968. Lieutenant Sulu was a very capable crew member, and he was Japanese. This coming only 20 years after WWII, when most Americans still saw Japanese with contempt, and considered all Japanese products to be only slightly better than nothing at all. Lieutenant Uhura was the dependable and sexy communications officer at a time when America was torn up with race riots in every city. Everyone on the bridge had distinct culteral heritage that they were proud of and each respected the unique qualities of the others.


Re: Star Trek (original series) [message #5671 is a reply to message #5669] Sat, 19 February 2005 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ST-TOS was a landmark show. So much so that people never forgot
it and initiated a 20 year campaign to bring it back to television.
I agree that the characters represented all that is best about
an inclusive society.


But I wonder how that one episode with 2 primative peoples
at perpetual war with each other would be viewed today. I'm
thinking of the one that concludes with Kirk reciting the
Declaration of Independence. Even as a kid, that choked me
up a little bit when hearing it. Today 30% of high school
kids polled are in favor of a reduction of freedom for
a spurious security.

The fact is that productions these days are made by business
administrators rather than even studio heads. So the
production landscape has become severely limited.

And there's not enough of us old trekkies to keep it going.

Think of what they did with that show in symbolic and
artistic terms: showing the race conflict of the time as
a fight between two men, each having a half/half skin color
on opposite sides-- and when they spoke they reflected each other's
image.

That one was written by Harlan Ellison. Ellison is now one of the
senior figures in s-f and fantasy, mostly as a consultant and
editor.


As a final aside, I wish I knew all the authors of those episodes
who worked under pseudonyms. Major figures of that era wrote some of them under pen names.



Re: Star Trek (original series) [message #5674 is a reply to message #5671] Sun, 20 February 2005 03:53 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I was thinking of the episode with the "Combs" and the "Yanks" when I wrote my last post. I remember that one, and how they did it in reference to the "Communists" and the "Yankess," on some planet with similar history, but one that endured an apocalyptic world war between them that destroyed everything and sent them back to the stone age. And now that you mention it, I remember the show with the black and white characters, and how the author used it to show absurdity of prejudice from skin color. No one could tell which was which until half way through the show when the leader of the lefties (or the righties, whichever) said that one race had black on the left side and the other was black on the right.


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