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Re: Kill the poor! [message #56298 is a reply to message #56297] Fri, 20 May 2005 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Manualblock is currently offline  Manualblock
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My good friend; The knowledge is good to have and some things are better when you really understand what they mean. But damn, 25, strong,ready to go all night long, go straight to work; come home and do it again.
Drive all night on 2 hrs sleep then party??? The fun never stops.
There is only one first time.
Here on Long Island there used to be a waterfront over 100 miles long filled with funky little bars and marinas. The drinking age was 18 but the reality was if you could walk you could be served. Boats were dirt cheap and beaches were everywhere. Need I say more? Oh; bars closed at 4am; then the after hours clubs opened.


Re: American Politics [message #56299 is a reply to message #56296] Sat, 21 May 2005 03:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm 31 and one of my best friends is a doctor on staff at a large rehab center. He is always talking about how funding has been. Many of the largest treatment centers were opened in the 80's when funding was highest. Some wouldn't even take people that had no insurance in the 90's because they couldn't afford to. It has swung back now some after Clinton left office.

Re: American Politics [message #56300 is a reply to message #56299] Sat, 21 May 2005 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well; as always the discussion reverts back to the Mexican Standoff; I have one experience and you have another. I have no way of knowing if what you tell me is accurate and you have no way of knowing if I am truthfull. Bottomline; since all facts are elusive and open to interpretation, that leaves only one option; how do you feel about the current state you and your circle is in; same for me.
I get from you that the countries full of welfare cheats and I get from my own experience that it is not. I am sure you have the same issue. Where you live that has such massive welfare rolls and fraudulent abuse of the public monies is a mystery to me. Living and working here in New York and having family that services the health community I have a totally opposite view. Following the state budget reveals less than 2% of totall revenue expenditures granted to the public assistance rolls.
A good portion of that includes elderly and children. So where are these armies of healthy abusers? I walk past Varick Street where the Welfare office is in Brooklyn and see maybe a couple of dozen people at any given time. So; where are they all?

Where are they all? [message #56301 is a reply to message #56300] Sat, 21 May 2005 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Easy - in the imaginations of the "I've got mine, screw you" crowd.

Two things about people like our Young Republican friend never cease to amaze me:

1. They almost invariably identify themselves as Christians, yet when it comes to the basic tenants of Christianity, which is undeniably socialist, they reject anything that relates to sharing of worldly wealth with the less fortunate. The part about it being easier than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? Not a Republican platform plank. The part that says "But whoever has the world's goods, and beholds his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?" Never heard of it.

Their idea of charity is to give monetary sums to causes and organizations that further and support their world view, which is founded on the concept that people less fortunate than themselves are inherently flawed, morally bankrupt – lazy, drug addicted, liars and cheats. They reserve their compassion for Rush Limbaugh and his rampant drug abuse or Bill Bennett and his wild gambling sprees while stepping over crack babies and shaking their heads.

2. They in no way are willing to acknowledge their responsibility in the social contract. An orderly society that allows the rich to remain rich requires money to keep it going. Somebody has to finance police, fire protection, the SEC, the military to secure the borders and yes, public order that depends on the poorest having what it takes to survive without stealing and general lawlessness to obtain it. But it is invariably the case that those who benefit the most from the societal structure are the ones who most vehemently deny their responsibility to finance it.

Their idea of charity is to give to causes that further and support their world view, which is founded on the concept that people less fortunate than themselves are inherently flawed, morally bankrupt – lazy, drug addicted, liars and cheats. They reserve their compassion for Rush Limbaugh and his drug abuse while stepping over crack babies and shaking their heads.


Sorry for the poor editing [message #56302 is a reply to message #56301] Sat, 21 May 2005 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was/am pissed.

Re: Sorry for the poor editing [message #56303 is a reply to message #56302] Sat, 21 May 2005 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Charley; It never ceases to amaze me how the other side cloaks their lack of basic human empathy in the shield of righteousness. But I must say our poster has not claimed to be a christian; unless I missed that post.
I have no sympathy for crack addicts either, having spent enough time in the world; but the helpless ones who suffer from their negligence deserve our help.
The current crop of fundamentalist practicioners have nothing to do with religion; it's a social club designed to network them into the best jobs and housing and all the rest of the basic status rewards.
No problem with that as long as they admitt up-front that is the case. Pretending you are a christian under those circumstances is laughable. But what is not laughable is the tax break they get while doing all this self-promotion and political posturing. That must and will be addressed.
I like the homes and cars their leaders drive; because I know if Christ came back; they'd be the first to fry.

Re: Kill the poor! [message #56304 is a reply to message #56298] Sat, 21 May 2005 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eat the poor.

Re: Kill the poor! [message #56305 is a reply to message #56304] Sat, 21 May 2005 16:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seems the same types re-occur periodically ehh.

Mental traps [message #56306 is a reply to message #56302] Sun, 22 May 2005 03:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your assumptions are unfounded. This is one of the mental traps that dems commonly fall into. Being Republican does not mean you have to be Christian. Being Christian does not mean you have to be Rebublican. Likewise, Democrats aren't always non-Christian. Don't mix your religion and politics please.

Another mental trap is to say that because Republicans want to limit entitlements means that they want the poor to stay poor and the rich to stay rich. It's like you want to paint us all as greedy, selfish tyrants like Ebenezer Scrooge. Liberals use this as a imagery device, nothing more. It is ugly rhetoric, that's all.

People that run into trouble aren't necessarily flawed but people that are "inherently flawed, morally bankrupt, lazy, drug addicted, liars and cheats" will most certainly run into trouble. Even that isn't the issue. The issue is what works and what doesn't.

To say that Republicans operate on the "concept that people less fortunate than themselves are inherently flawed" is stereotypical. This is just another attempt to paint Republicans into a nasty picture. I won't stoop to using such a rhetorical argument. Instead, I will say that I think Section 8 housing and certain other welfare programs are a waste of money. Whether people taking that assistance are inherently flawed is not for me to judge.

I personally don't think Socialism works and we've all seen evidence of its failure. I think if you tried it a hundred more times you'd get a hundred more failures. Likewise, I don't think that institutionalized multi-generational welfare for "unfortunate" families is a workable solution. They have to be given motivation, but a welfare check, food stamps and Section 8 housing isn't what I'd call motivation.

Re: Kill the poor! [message #56307 is a reply to message #56298] Sun, 22 May 2005 04:22 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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This funny friend has some other one:"I`m glad that we went through it all and stayed PERFECTLY NORMAL!"

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