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10-4 Bucko! [message #55474 is a reply to message #55467] Thu, 17 August 2006 04:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wunhuanglo is currently offline  wunhuanglo
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That's hittin' the ol' tack with a sledge hammer.

It's astounding how most people don't get it - they decry some form of entertainment (too sexy usually) and then go right out and support the same industry they're complaining about (movie tickets, DVD rentals, music downloads).

You can hear Fox News watchers rant and rave about indecency in media, listen to Fox News on-air personnel agree loudly with them, and no one mentions just a couple of skips down the dial is a Fox-owned network where somebody is getting ass-raped in a junk yard.

Show me the money!

The media / corporate monopolies don't decide [message #55475 is a reply to message #55472] Thu, 17 August 2006 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wunhuanglo is currently offline  wunhuanglo
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WE decide. You know how you keep Clear Channel from programming the same limited crap in every market? Don't listen. If you get an Arbitron diary put down that you're a male, 18 to 34, and all you listen to is NPR - two bad books and Clear Channel will dump the local turkey like a hot potato.

Object to Sahron Stone flashing her near-50 beaver on screen? Don't buy a ticket, don't rent the DVD - bye-bye Sharon Stone's beaver. Don't like Wal-Mart? Don't go in there. If enough people with the ability to choose (not the desperately working poor who can't afford to) do that, Wal-Mar profitability will plummet and the family will change. Don't like broadcast TV? Neilson works just like Arbitron.

It does, and always has, come down to one and only one thing (bless Cuba Gooding, Jr.)

SHOW ME THE MONEY!

Re: The media / corporate monopolies don't decide [message #55476 is a reply to message #55475] Thu, 17 August 2006 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thats true except in many instances the deck is stacked. You no longer have that power to decide by your purchasing descisions. Just like cable tv. If you want one channell you got to buy ten channells. If you want a certain phone service you got to buy all the phone service.
In music the bands that might have a chance of becoming the Next Beatles or Ramones are not allowed to play where anyone can hear them. Because they don't Generate Revenue. Without that you get oogotz.

Re: The media / corporate monopolies don't decide [message #55478 is a reply to message #55476] Thu, 17 August 2006 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But it`s a good thing that life can "flow" through some other "streams"...many good things aren`t in the "main", regulated flow. And if you need the alternative, you`ll find it...
Who needs their TV, radio, concert halls, movies, press... anyhow?

Re: The media / corporate monopolies don't decide [message #55479 is a reply to message #55478] Thu, 17 August 2006 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So then those who are able to get access by some means will get what they like and those who for some reason cannot access these "out of the mainstream" venues then they get nothing. Thats sort of an elitist outlook; that the well-connected are able to choose while the less connected are the victims of someone elses choice.

Re: The media / corporate monopolies don't decide [message #55481 is a reply to message #55479] Thu, 17 August 2006 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Every man or women has a right (and somehow even a duty) to develop him/herself. It`s a called a culture, and acces to it today isn`t reserved for the small elite. Books, Internet, music... everything is acessible in the most of the countries. Yes, bad state politics, money, or whatever can be responsible for many things, but the individual is the most responsible for his/her level of knowledge and understanding, spiritual growth - if you like.

Re: The media / corporate monopolies don't decide [message #55482 is a reply to message #55481] Thu, 17 August 2006 16:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ill buy that. But that technically doesnt address the issue of access to things you may need to further your "spiritual growth"; like the new Dixie Chicks Album.

Re: The media / corporate monopolies don't decide [message #55483 is a reply to message #55482] Thu, 17 August 2006 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, I can live without it.
But, if we under "iron curtain" somehow obtained LPs only a few months after they published in London, for example, and played similar "new wave" music on the same time, say 1980.- what`s the problem now? Is it "elitistic" to say that (my company and I listened (for example) NY new wave bands at that time when (even today) very small number of people heard of them?
You can 5 hours a day watching the TV - or play the guitar, read the books, tinkering with tube amps...the choice is yours.

Re: The media / corporate monopolies don't decide [message #55484 is a reply to message #55479] Thu, 17 August 2006 17:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ya'ain't lookin at this right.

Access to the mass media gets you what? Crap suitable for mass consumption - the Beastie Boys and Carmen Electra.

It is only recently that markets existed on the scale that Stones concerts happen. Musicians, great musicians from Mahler to Gershwin played to a couple of hundered seats at a time. Now the expectation is that an act will play to 10,000 or 50,000 or 25 million over the television.

What can you put out that will appeal to 25 million people across the country? The lowest order of popular pap. Good stuff was, is and always be at the margins - don't look for it on ABC at 9 PM Wednesdays.

And as far as your cable example goes - think about it, there's over-air, 2 satellite networks, internet tv feeds and video rental thru the mail as well as whole seasons of tv series from Amazon, Circuit City and the like - you have plenty of choices if you want to exercise them.

Re: The media / corporate monopolies don't decide [message #55485 is a reply to message #55484] Thu, 17 August 2006 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Allow me to retort. In this discussion I am under the impression that we are not examining the most popular and promoted forms of art; as you say ABC at 9 on Wednesdays.
Maybe I am wrong but it was my contention that we already have access to the Beastie Boys for all of us; ie. revenue generators. On the margins we have access to individual favorites of whatever entity you name. But if those entities are old TV shows and satellite TV we have just executed a large circular train of thought. Those things you mention are available and will always be available since they are proven money makers. They have an existing track record.
The Stones coming out of the old Merseybeat scene were not moneymakers. They became that due to their ability to access the media as a result of the BBC allowing time for the public to utilise the airwaves.
It isn't the known entities I am concerned about; its what we will never see as a result of companies like Clearchannell owning the rights to broadcast/print and performance venues. How does new music become viable if it is secularised into one internet blog read by fifty people?

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