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These are good points you make... [message #55058 is a reply to message #55055] Fri, 03 March 2006 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr Vinyl is currently offline  Mr Vinyl
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I agree with most of what you say. Fact is there should be money made available by the government to help the truly needy. Forget spending millions on welfare programs for people that just don't want to work. Spend it on Children, adults and their families that can't help themselves.

One of the problems is that parents with disabled children truly want their children to be as normal as possible. Children with disabilities do much better when they are mainstreamed with normal children. We want to raise the bar for these children not lower it. Putting them in some substandard classroom or school is not the answer either. I don't know. Maybe your right about taking them out of the regular school system altogether. But it would cost a lot of money to do it right.

Just for the record. I am not looking for gov. handouts. But if there is anyone in this world that should get government handouts it's the children with disabilities and their families. Did you know that families that put their kids in daycare get tax breaks but people who home school their children get nothing. You can't write off books, supplies, field trips to the zoo or museum nothing. If classrooms are so crowded that teachers can't teach that many children you would think they would be very happy to have more home schooling and even encourage it.



Re: These are good points you make... [message #55059 is a reply to message #55058] Fri, 03 March 2006 14:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes to both of you. The schools should absolutely not be in the business of testifying to any medical diagnoses that impacts upon a students ability to get resources they have a right to get. That is where locally funded school systems fall down. They have an incentive to deny funding to people as a result of their participation in the community tax base. If the definition of "socialisation" is the sharing of the resources of the community in a fair and equitable manner; then maybe there should be oversight of these programs on a more broad level of society. The state should mandate the programs be enforced on the state level instead of the local level.
It is a proven fact as MR Vinyl says that mainstreaming children results in less spending in the long run. Not to enforce that is to cost society more over time.

Re: These are good points you make... [message #55060 is a reply to message #55058] Fri, 03 March 2006 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I'd want my child to be happily involved with as many nice friends as they could find too. Seems like it would be best for children to be around other well-adjusted children, that's the best environment. So I think I'd want my children to be mainstreamed with others too.

I have a 19 year old son, and he went to public school. I was glad for that. But public school has definitely changed. I'd say his experience was good in spite of the school, not because of it. And given your special needs, I just don't think the school is capable of dealing with it. When asked to try, they fail you miserably. I'm sorry for your trouble, I really am.


Re: I have heard about it being made into a movie... [message #55061 is a reply to message #55055] Fri, 03 March 2006 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would never suggest that Alonas opinion take a back seat to anyones regarding education as she is no doubt very competent and knowledgable. That was never my intention in making that post. But you originally did appear to be making a comparison.
The system is what we make it. Mr Vinyls problem is that the locally controlled school board does not want to fund the required programs he is eligable for. The state mandates these programs but the community stonewalls him. How would the community change if there were no state mandated programs? They would remain as recalcitrant as they are now. I can't speak for his situation; but with a lot of pressure from the community here including a lawsuit; the "Socialised" program devised by the state was enforced and children were mainstreamed against the wishes of the school board. Believe me without that "Socialised" program those kids would be on their own; Becuase this school board would not have paid for their use of resources thats for sure.
I think the concepts of social responsibility and control of local funding are becoming confused in this discussion.
The fact that these programs exist at all is a testament to the benefit of socially appropriate programs for the needy. It is truely unfortunate that he is not given the benefit of what his children deserve.

Re: These are good points you make... [message #55062 is a reply to message #55060] Fri, 03 March 2006 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can you get tax benefits for the equipment you need to home school them?

Re: These are good points you make... [message #55063 is a reply to message #55058] Fri, 03 March 2006 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can you get education tax credits on your tax return for materials and such you need to use as educational aids?

Re: These are good points you make... [message #55064 is a reply to message #55062] Fri, 03 March 2006 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Depends on what you mean by equipment. If a child needs special chairs or braces things like that I believe you could get a tax deduction for that. But that has nothing to do with home schooling. As I said above as far as books, supplies (desks, rulers, pens, markers charts, etc), curriculum, etc. you get zip. Nothing.

Not too mention... [message #55065 is a reply to message #55059] Fri, 03 March 2006 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That the more severely the child is diagnosed the more money the school gets. So it is benifical for the school to claim the child is very severe and can't be handled in a regular class. Not to mention that to put an autistic child in a regular class usually means he will need an aide of some kind to help him. This of course would cost more money for the school. Hmm which one do you think they would pick?

Re: These are good points you make... [message #55066 is a reply to message #55064] Fri, 03 March 2006 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah; I wasn't sure about special needs equipment. I knew about books and supplies; I know that is not accounted. I was more concerned with physical equipment or certain types of learning aids that would not be normally provided for. There's nothing hah; what if you go over the 7% limit? And what about transportation to options that you cannot provide but are called for in the syllabus?

Re: Not too mention... [message #55067 is a reply to message #55065] Fri, 03 March 2006 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Absolutely and that was a point here in a lawsuit that was initiated on behalf of some of the kids; wharehousing them for the stipend. That was a biggie.

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