Geez; E-Man, aren't these the guys who will blow themselves up? The kind of torture you describe is a scenario from a movie or something; people either would kill themselves or you would not get any info from them. Hell; we can't even find Osama and he is on dialysis. And lets say this script actually occurred; what kind of torture do you think would work? Would people who are willing to committ suicide at the drop of a hat be worried about that? And lets say this happened; then law or no law they would do what it took. So you think we should allow torture of anyone the government wants just so we can be prepared if by some billion to one chance this movie script plays out? Torture...I don't know how many who may not know anything for the next how many years, just in case this might happen and we might catch a guy who doesn't kill himself and is willing to talk? Sounds like a bad deal. At the risk of sounding maudlin; thats not what we are about as Americans. So; whaddya think?