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Re: 60th Anniversary of the end of WWII [message #54427 is a reply to message #54422] Mon, 15 August 2005 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That may be true in terms of violence but armies are a pre-requisite for war. And so far I haven't seen any evidence of a muslim army. Terrorism is a crime not a war. It should be fought by the proffessional crime fighters not armies and navies.

Re: 60th Anniversary of the end of WWII [message #54428 is a reply to message #54426] Mon, 15 August 2005 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's right.


Re: 60th Anniversary of the end of WWII [message #54429 is a reply to message #54427] Mon, 15 August 2005 14:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No way. The American revolution was begun with terrorism because we couldn't initially put an army together. But our intentions against the British were pretty clear. The war was waged in a different way, using different tactics, but it was still a war.


Re: 60th Anniversary of the end of WWII [message #54431 is a reply to message #54429] Mon, 15 August 2005 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Those were organised county militias given authority by the rebellion. Terrorism is a different definition. The parrallel to the Revolution is the insurgency. The original rebels of our history were not terrorists they were insurgents. Terrorists by definition have no tactical objectives except to sow chaos and fear in order to destructure the existing social organisation.

Re: 60th Anniversary of the end of WWII [message #54432 is a reply to message #54431] Mon, 15 August 2005 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It started off as acts of terrorism. An example is the "Sons of Liberty" dressed as Indians, who destroyed tea cargo as a reaction to the 1773 Tea Act. Later American colonies established local militias, which were not centrally organized because there was no Federal government to provide organization. It wasn't until 1775 that the Continental Congress established a regular army.


Re: 60th Anniversary of the end of WWII [message #54434 is a reply to message #54432] Mon, 15 August 2005 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Sons Of Liberty event was a political protest, not a terrorist act. Militias by definition are not centrally organised or they would be called armies. They were insurgents and they were called that back then also.

Re: 60th Anniversary of the end of WWII [message #54437 is a reply to message #54434] Mon, 15 August 2005 15:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My point exactly. War is waged in many ways.


Re: 60th Anniversary of the end of WWII [message #54439 is a reply to message #54437] Mon, 15 August 2005 15:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not sure I get that. I mean thats self-evident. Terrorism is not war it's a criminal act and always was. Northern Ireland/Italy/Germany/Palestine etc etc all treated terrorist acts as criminal in nature. Just because after 9/11 they used that word as an excuse to invade Iraq doesn't change the meaning of it.

Oklahoma native [message #54443 is a reply to message #54400] Mon, 15 August 2005 17:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wayne, Ever hear of this guy? He was an Oklahoma native and was awarded the Congessional Medal of Honor in WWII. He just recently died.....Colin

CREWS, JOHN R.

Rank and organization: Staff Sergeant, U.S. Army, Company F, 253d Infantry, 63d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Lobenbacherhof, Germany, 8 April 1945. Entered service at: Bowlegs, Okla. Birth: Golden, Okla. Citation: He displayed conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty on 8 April 1945 near Lobenbacherhof, Germany. As his company was advancing toward the village under heavy fire, an enemy machinegun and automatic rifle with rifle support opened upon it from a hill on the right flank. Seeing that his platoon leader had been wounded by their fire, S/Sgt. Crews, acting on his own initiative, rushed the strongpoint with 2 men of his platoon. Despite the fact that 1 of these men was killed and the other was badly wounded, he continued his advance up the hill in the face of terrific enemy fire. Storming the well-dug-in position single-handedly, he killed 2 of the crew of the machinegun at pointblank range with his M 1 rifle and wrested the gun from the hands of the German whom he had already wounded. He then with his rifle charged the strongly emplaced automatic rifle. Although badly wounded in the thigh by crossfire from the remaining enemy, he kept on and silenced the entire position with his accurate and deadly rifle fire. His actions so unnerved the remaining enemy soldiers that 7 of them surrendered and the others fled. His heroism caused the enemy to concentrate on him and permitted the company to move forward into the village.


Re: Oklahoma native [message #54445 is a reply to message #54443] Mon, 15 August 2005 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I didn't know him, but I appreciate the link.


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