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4pi [message #52539] Tue, 26 August 2008 14:15 Go to next message
John Gilmore is currently offline  John Gilmore
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Hi Wayne,

Any chance you could mail me the 4Pi plans?

I have 2 pairs of 2226's with four ohm cone kits. I assume i can just scale the inductor values and recalculate the parallel RC values to suit right?

I'll use DE250's for one pair but I also have an old pair of EV DH2A's lying around - has anyone got any thought's on crossovers for these?

Thanks,

John



Re: 4pi [message #52540 is a reply to message #52539] Tue, 26 August 2008 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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To use a 4Ω woofer, scale the caps and coils on the woofer circuit and also increase tweeter attenuation by changing the values of R1 and R2. This is because the 2226G (4Ω) woofer is 3dB louder than the 2226H (8Ω) woofer given the same drive voltage.

If you're using a PSD2002-8, then R1 and R2 are normally 16Ω each. You'll want to increase R1 to 25Ω if the woofer is 4Ω. If you're using a DE250-8, then R1 is 25Ω and R2 is 16Ω. You'll want to change R1 to 30Ω and R2 to 14Ω if the woofer is 4Ω.

You'll notice the schematic below shows R1a, R1b, R1c and R1d. Likewise, there are components R2a, R2b, R2c and R2d. The circuit board layout has space for 10 watt non-inductive resistors like those from Mills or Dayton. The idea is to combine series/parallel components to form the desired resistance values of R1 and R2, while at the same time having a lot of thermal capacity.

For reference, a chart of woofer circuit values are shown below:
Component 2226G (4Ω) 2226H (8Ω) 2226J (16Ω)
===============================================================

L2 0.75mH 1.5mH 3.0mH
L3 0.25mH 0.5mH 1.0mH
C4 40uF 20uF 10uF
C5 40uF 20uF 10uF
R3 4Ω 8Ω 16Ω

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Re: 4pi [message #52543 is a reply to message #52540] Wed, 27 August 2008 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Gilmore is currently offline  John Gilmore
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Thanks Wayne. Any thoughts on the EV DH2A compression driver?

Re: 4pi [message #52544 is a reply to message #52543] Wed, 27 August 2008 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Never tried it. I'd be interested in seeing measurements and hearing one. If you have a link to measurements, I'd like to see it.


Re: 4pi [message #52546 is a reply to message #52544] Wed, 27 August 2008 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Gilmore is currently offline  John Gilmore
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Well I guess I'll be doing any measurements not in the datasheet. The datasheet is online here...

Re: 4pi [message #67206 is a reply to message #52540] Mon, 25 April 2011 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Gilmore is currently offline  John Gilmore
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Hi Wayne,

I know this goes back a bit... I ended up using 8ohm 2226's my first pair of 4pi's which I've been enjoying for a couple of years. I've just built a second pair using my 4ohm drivers and refered back to your post above for the HF attenuation values...

This didn't occur to me before but if the 4ohm is 3db LOUDER than the 8ohm at a given drive voltage, then surely I need to DECREASE the attenuation in the HF crossover circuit, not increase it?? Or am I not thinking correctly?
Re: 4pi [message #67210 is a reply to message #67206] Mon, 25 April 2011 13:12 Go to previous message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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If the woofer is louder, you'll probably want the tweeter to be louder too. So if you're running a 4Ω woofer, decrease tweeter attenuation a smidge to match voltage sensitivity. You'll see all that when you do your measurements to dial in the crossover.

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