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Re: Need bass module [message #51899 is a reply to message #51898] Mon, 10 March 2008 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Usually people build or buy completed loudspeakers. Occasionally, someone already has a favorite full range horn or something, and they just need a bass bin that operates up through the lower midrange. In this case, something like the four π is perfect. Just make it without the tweeter.

Whether a standard model is used or some kind of hybrid, the bass is good and most people don't augment their speakers with a sub. Room gain tends to lift the very deepest bass, so a gradual rolloff is desirable in many cases. However, in large rooms or in other situations where a sub is desired, one of the dedicated subwoofers can be used.

Dedicated subs are tuned differently than a full-range model. The woofers chosen for the subs are designed to be used between 20-200Hz, and the cabinet is tuned for this range also. In contrast, woofers chosen for full-range models are designed for a much higher bandwidth, but don't go as deep.

If you need a midwoofer to go from say 40-400Hz, then the bass bin used in a three π or four π is perfect. It sounds nice in the midrange and bass goes pretty deep. Rolloff is gradual and smooth, making it a nice compliment to room gain.

On the other hand, if what you're interested in is to augment the very deepest bass frequencies, then a subwoofer is better. It can be used down to 20-30Hz. A dedicated sub should be crossed over no higher than 100Hz for best integration. Any higher and you will be able to hear the sub as distinct speaker, which is not what you want. You want a subwoofer to add a foundation, but not to call attention to itself. It should not be louder than the rest of the system, nor should it "thump". If done right, no one can tell the subwoofer is on, it just sounds like the mains go deeper in bass.


You've got mail! [message #51900 is a reply to message #51895] Mon, 10 March 2008 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Re: Need bass module [message #51901 is a reply to message #51899] Tue, 11 March 2008 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Champion is currently offline  Champion
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Thanks for your explanation. I don't really need deep deep bass, but adding another 10-20 hz to my merlin tsm monitors will be great. Since I am building the 3pi anyway, able to run the bass bin with other speakers as well as a full range with the tweeters is a plus and just add more fun. I am really looking forward to receiving the kits and completing the speakers. Such a new and exiting journey for me!

Thanks again!

Re: You've got mail! [message #51902 is a reply to message #51900] Tue, 11 March 2008 07:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Wayne

Re: Need bass module [message #52156 is a reply to message #51897] Fri, 23 May 2008 00:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Morehouse is currently offline  David Morehouse
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Wayne - - can I see the plans for the 3 pi sub using a lab12

Re: Need bass module [message #52157 is a reply to message #51897] Fri, 23 May 2008 00:25 Go to previous message
David Morehouse is currently offline  David Morehouse
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Wayne - - can I see the plans for the 3 pi sub using a lab12

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