Oh, Wayne! [message #50181] |
Sun, 22 October 2006 02:38 |
Zene Gillette
Messages: 88 Registered: May 2009
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Having trouble convincing friend that his goal of 30hz at -3dB for music at 96+ dB is almost impossible without huge bucks. He does not have room for the monsters it will take, let alone dollars for the big amps. My arguments of a well designed 40hz will have, with room boost, all the bass he needs is not convincing. Claims a piano goes to 28hz so he needs speakers designed right off the spread sheets to do it. He heard my Khorns a few years ago and remembers them as punchy bass, but not really deep that he thinks he wants. I made the mistake of telling him typical KHorns were -3dB about 38hz - 40hz. He's going to get nothing but muddy bass with his current approach. Frustrated, Zene
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Re: Professional series seven π and seven π-18 [message #50185 is a reply to message #50183] |
Sun, 22 October 2006 23:57 |
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Wayne Parham
Messages: 18786 Registered: January 2001
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Here's a measurement of a seven π speaker in-room, but it's gated so bass response doesn't show up. It was done in a series of measurements made in an arc to test crossover summing and response at various positions in the room.seven π loudspeaker frequency response Measurements below 200Hz in-room show the room's response more than the speaker's. So there is no real way to do it. One thing that could be done is to find a stadium that is open and/or very large and that has a corner to place the speaker in. Then you can load the speaker with a trihedral corner without enclosing the speaker in an indoor room. That would work. Or you can measure the speaker outdoors in the open and add 12dB/octave low-pass rise to the curve, simulating room gain. This gives a good estimate, but most rooms are more lossy than that. That's both good and bad, because the same things that prevent a full 12dB/octave bass boost are what damp room modes. Still, you can expect several decibels rise below 100Hz, making an overdamped curve like shown below what you want for corner loading: Response of seven π bass bin without boundary reinforcement Add 12dB/octave bass boost from corner loading
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